IRL decision, not ingame one.
also
An IRL decision where Leopard 2 sacrificed some mobility in exchange for more armor in a setting where they would have to realistically travel far more distances than you would in-game. If anything that just solidifies my point.
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Give it to me, my Leclerc wants her now.
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The ‘61km/h’ figure is still inaccurate as it represents the irl limited transmission when the tank is equipped with mine protection, should be more in the realm of 65km/h if that mine shielding and software restriction is lifted
Maybe that is the case, but there’s a reason why the Leopard 2A7 is regarded as an upgrade in-game over the Leo 2A5 even ignoring thermal upgrade. Armor has more importance than mobility after you meet a certain threshold in mobility.
Yes but thats overall ammo capacity, ready-rack is only the left one and is capped at 17 rounds (unless SEPv2 follows different logic or theres some mechanic tied to Abrams im not aware of).
So it is, my bad, will correct that part lol. Kinda my fault by switching rapidly between three tabs.
is it gen3? not gonna argue, but IIRC its gen 2.
fair enough.
well its the one im using for comparison, duh :P But I get the point.
Fair enough, as I said to you in different thread, I have yet to migrate to 120mm Abrams tanks.
I dont deny that, but that specific point was more about weakpoints rather than general protection, and theres still Abrams turret ring. Might not be that important against most high performance sabots that will just cut straight through the Leclercs armor, but it might be important for downtiers and/or against certain autocannons etc. But I digress.
Comparing the gold standard of armour, mobility, firepower doesn’t really go that far.
The Leclerc is an extremely strong MBT in remotely capable hands, I’d like to finish grinding france for my own, as it should in essence play similar to a Type 10, a higher penning round just makes LOL-penning slightly easier, but you’re still aiming for weakspots against the meta slop, so really the SHARD offers a marginal benefit.
I’d be more in favour of a minor nation armour rework (Type 10, Leclerc, Merkava, Ariete, etc) and general performance buffs through correct modelling than the ‘band aid solution’ that is a higher penning round
Well, i dont remember directsupport intentionaly lying, misinterpreting sources and so on
That one was mulatu who got banmed here kek.
That being said he trists mulatu way to much still for my taste
I’m suspicious of anyone related to the Rafale bug reporting cabal, and rightfully so
Fire rate for one.
Leos are under the slowest firing mbts in the game for a reason
Yes, you can actually check it in the wiki if you don’t have WT open.
I didn’t see that, my fault.
The Abrams is arguably better against autocannons, as the LFP on the Leclerc is like 60mm or so. The breach is also only 90mm.
Honestly if SHARD is equal to DM53, the Leclerc could 100% get it, but I don’t see why. It should just go down in BR instead.
Do you really want to go that way?
It was also IRL decision to go with F-22A instead of YF-23 and YF-23 never entered service, but we can eventually have YF-23 ingame and play it.
Poor analogy but yeah, real performance is meant to go hand in hand with balance
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Just one question for you on this topic,
- Does giving the Leclerc SHARD round provided it is equivalent to DM53 in performance make it the best MBT in your eyes in the game? Where would you place it?
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Tbf, you aren’t going to fire 23 rounds without any time to replenish. In this sense the Abrams’ stowage is better, as you said.
I mean at the end of the day, I’d like to focus on the fact that the Leclerc having the SHARD round would not be a meaningful change in terms of becoming the best. It would as someone else stated, offer marginal benefits and again, my only contention is with anyone trying to state it doesn’t have a place in the game.
oh fk, i see it. thats a game changer, thanks.
np.
I dont have opinion on this one.
Well no, we upgraded the transmissipm at the same time so that the 2a7v has tje acceleration of tje 2a4. But gajin being gajin doesmt acceot official sources claiming that.
We upgraded both in reality.
Gaijin and some people are vehemently opposed to it going down in BR, so SHARD round is another solution instead.
Given that my current top 5 MBT rating goes
- Leopard 2a7/122
- Type 10
- Leclerc
- Merkava Mk4
- T-80BVM
HM. Leopard 2a5/2a6
I think the Leclerc with DM53 goes up to joint second with type 10
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