How does the Leopard 2A4 Premium in France affect the Leclerc? I’m not moving goal posts. This post is about the Leclerc and its performance, and I’ve explicitly been referring to high-tier MBTs. Rank VII Premiums do, for most nations, affect top-tier gameplay because they’re around 11.7 to 12.0, but the Leopard 2A4 in France is 10.7. That’s two entire BRs lower than the top tier.
Then KD should normally start to grow, but yours doesn’t. And if this is your excuse to sway the data set, why does your M1A2 have such bad performance? There are countless M1 Abrams tanks in the tree to learn from before getting there. The same goes for the T-90M. Countless T-72 tanks are starting at BR 9.3.
The likelier outcome is that you use the S1 the most because it has the better dart, and when you die, you respawn in your S2 and S21, which results in you fighting cautiously against exhausted lineups with lesser vehicles, as well as premium spam. That naturally results in you gaining a higher KD without increasing your performance.
It’s good that you like playing the Leclerc and have decent performance with the less played ones, but I can’t use a mere 26 and 77 games to dispute the 147 games in your S1, as well as your T-90M and M1A2 performance.
You say France players are skilled because they’re a minor nation. I’m saying that argument has diluted over time, as now every nation has an easy way up to the top for 60+ bucks.
Yes it is, and you’re talking about a vehicle you haven’t played nor owned.
I repeat, it doesn’t have to do with the L2A4 at all. It’s the fact you can jump immediately into reasearching France with a level 0 account and with a dozen games be at rank III already, like any other nation mains you all enjoy laughing at. The fact France doesn’t have an 11.7-12.0 premium does not mean they can’t get wallet warriors to jump the gap from 10.7/11.0 to 12.7 with their first Leclerc.
How many people do you think buy the Dutch Leopard 2A4 compared to the KVT, PzBtl 123, and the various Russian Premiums?
The majority of people who come to play France and other minor nations have already played through one of the Big 3 Tech Trees. By the time they get to the Leclerc, they’re going to have around twice the experience compared to someone who’s only played a Major Nation.
I have to know how to counter the vehicle to fight it, and I’ve fought it hundreds of times.
Players who grind out the entirety of France to the Leclerc are experienced. That takes hundreds of games to do and results in them learning how to be efficient. If they aren’t efficient, they don’t get the Leclerc.
I know that’s true because it’s true for my stock backup vehicles, and I can see your public replays. My Tech Tree Type 90s got the same treatment. I only play them when I die in my Fuji, which results in them having less consistent performance.
Well no, thats had its reason after a french member netoriously misquoted /misused sources to provide buffs to france and nerfs ro other nations.
There is reasons why many are on edge about french tech vastly overperforming like the IR AASM Hammer
And it actually got accepted by the devs ? Well that’s a new one lol.
Anyway, being mad about a plane is a thing, but it has no link to the current thread. The Leclerc has the worst top tier round while having no advantage over the competition (except for turret baskets which are just pure nerfs).
Reload is average, the only ones being slower are the Leo and T-whatevers, armour is terrible while having only 3 crew members and mobility is also quite average.
So yeah, a better round would simply be fair until armour and nuclear fuel tanks are fixed
But to sum up my stance after all this discussion mess: I’m not against SHARD anytime soon. I’m only against it for the current Leclercs. They can surely add it for the next top Leclerc, it’s more than reasonable, and Gaijin can obviously use the generous side of calculations to make it highly competitive to face the new gen of MBTs. But right now, it’s just not even needed. French winrates are fine, kills/spawn as well, and their top plane is more than meta right now.
Some accepted, some denied, while intend that was there.
Hell the guy buffed the brimstone on a cruisade to nerf it cause he doesnr understand the basic eng sentences
Tldr for IR hammer.
Its not realy supposed to work against moving targets. Its Loal. 2km before impact the IR seeker activates twice to correct its path towards a pre programmed targets.
Anything moving constant 50km/h should avoid it. Not to mention that ir lock from multiple km away shouldnt work
I don’t know much about SHARD so i don’t talk about that specific round. However, the Leclerc should clearly receive a better round as, right now, it’s a pretty sad tank that doesn’t really feel like top tier…
I’d say it’s currently slightly worse than an Abrams, trading armour for speed but also having a weaker gun and much less survival chance.
I did a brief check on open sources and some state SHARD can penetrate over 700mm, that would automatically make France one of (if not the best) on offensive if no one else gets an on-par round, as it would make it capable to lolpen anything except Russian front plates with Relict.
Neither France, US, USSR, Germany or whatever nation should get 700mm with 5s reload time without a proper generational MBT upgrade, and considering how much time has past since the last flock of top MBTs for all nations (late 2023), it’s more than plausible it’s on the works.
576mm w/5s autoloader is more than enough for France to hold on until the Leclerc XLR. A slight buff on reload times at best, but that’s it.
Mytho, you were already wrong back when you said the F-15A was better than the Su-27 back in 2023. I even told you to try it out before doing those judgements.
I’m on about you sniffing around on matters you don’t even have the vehicles and doing judgements based on what you see or are told about.
Good thing you can be completely wrong and then back away from what you said without consequences, if you don’t recognize what you said there, it says a lot about the integrity over time of some of your arguments.
I know they use a different calculator, but placing a round outperforming every single current round (even by pesimistic numbers) on an autoloader because “France suffers” is something that is not happening. France doesn’t have the bad stats nor the basic need for a new round right now, no matter how loud the cryout is.
All i am saying is there are sources for rounds in game at top tier with 700mm of pen but don’t get that in game. I don’t see how shard can’t be any different to how Gajin calculates rounds. So if its performance is around DM53 levels in game i see no reason not to add it.
I have no clue what you are even talking about
Yeah i don’t have the Leclerc but i know how well it round performs in other tanks and know how well DM53 performs. I also know the armour of the Leclerc compared to others. I think people are overhyping what SHARD would bring as it would in most cases only allow for better post pen damage
France doesn’t need extra pen to perform good. it already does fine.
I said the same when I backed up the proposal to buff the MICAs. Now we’re dealing with a monotonous air top tier where Rafales usually ends up winning games.
So you’re essentially and stubbornly wrong even when the plane obviously didn’t performed to you at all, I rest my case.
Have fun asking for SHARD still, Gaijin won’t add it without a new Leclerc iteration. Looks like French players are performing good enough with OFL 120 F1.
