Is there some kind of rule that France can’t get the best lineup or one of the best lineup? Doubt it would be better than the Russian lineup but it’s an interesting thing you wrote.
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I honestly think you french mains tend to intentionally downplay what you have. And sometimes, worse than even german or american mains.
I won’t take both your words for granted. I’ve pledged once and it led us to the Rafale meta that has been going for over 8+ months barely contested by the Su-30. I won’t do that mistake again unless it is reasonably elaborated.
And this whole round discussion and downplay isn’t enough.
What are you rambling about? I asked a simple question about a statement you made.
Give it Shard and a 4 second reload
(I want to watch the world burn)
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You know exactly the intention your question had, same as the one with the rank of top tier tanks.
Don’t bring me you asked it from naivety or simple curiosity.
The intent of my question is to either get you to clarify your position or show the absurdity of your original statement.
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You oppose addition of SHARD
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You later state that the addition of SHARD would make the French lineup ATLEAST one of the best lineups in the game.
Either your position can be clarified or your position is that you oppose France from being one of the best line-ups in the game for whatever reason.
Also, if your intention is to not engage in a discussion with said “French mains” why are you participating in this thread then?
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This is exactly why I don’t gave you the answers to both questions, you framed my position as absurd regardless.
It is not absurd. It is not the time for SHARD, end of story.
Yes, no absurdity on that.
And it would make France extremely competitive, while there’s other tech trees with critical gaps on performance, giving France both a clear meta position both on air and ground, this is not France Thunder.
I simply opppose it because it would give France an unjustified edge, clear as water.
I engaged because I’ve played the french tree enough to know the Leclercs are in a good state and by no means are in a suffering condition to get a new round that would potentially even outperform DM53/M829A2 if Gaijin decides to take the optimistic approach to the numbers.
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No one in here has been opposed to fixing critical gaps in performance for other top tiers. But being opposed to France being “one of the best” lineups render in my eyes your position as being unreasonable along with your behavior in general in this thread which includes refusal of elaborating your position. I don’t think there’s anything much to be gained from discussing with you anymore.
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Compared to the various Leopards and Abrams, all other tanks are bad 90% of the time. That’s okay for tanks like the Type 10, because it has a niche that makes is stupid OP in specific circumstances, but it doesn’t perform well outside of that role. The problem is that these other tanks don’t get a niche. They’re just shittier Abrams most of the time.
The Merkava and Ariete are mobile as well, but mobility isn’t everything. In high-tier gameplay, there’s a lot of hill peaking and hull-down sniping. The Abrams is close to immortal in a hull-down position when played properly, and it’s extremely mobile to boot. If the Leclerc’s turret armor could stop DM53 at all, it would be more competitive even with weak hull armor, but it can’t. That’s the consistent issue with the majority of MBT at the high tier. If you can’t take a hit to at least half of your front profile reliably, in most situations, you’re simply playing an inferior MBT than the Leopard and Abrams.
A position for the Leclerc doesn’t matter because it can’t stop shells like the Abrams. Even if you get into a position a few seconds early, you can’t hold it like an Abrams. And from my experience, the Abrams is plenty fast enough to outrun most MBTs you fight anyway, so it doesn’t make much of a difference.
The Abrams gets a DM53 equivalent with a 5-second reload. There are some Ariete tanks at a higher BR than the M1A2 now. Even worse, the M1A1 is more durable and a better MBT overall than all Ariete tanks.
Up until this week, the Merkava’s APS hadn’t worked for a year. The Merkava is the biggest tank in the game and can’t stop many 9.7 missiles without the APS, despite what you think.
Just recently, the Merkava was nerfed back to back three times. First, it lost its engine spall absorption, then its roof armor overpressure resistance was reduced by eightfold, and now it stands at 12.7, the same BR as the Leopard 2A7V and the M1A2 SEPv1/v2 Abrams. Its Kinetic protection values are roughly on par with a Leopard 2A4, if not worse as well.
Its armor has been accepted as bugged for 4 years, yet nothing has been done with it. Sure, it’s mobile and has a good gun, but I can get that same experience from an Abrams. The Merkava is my favorite MBT, yet I find it hard to enjoy playing it.
Except that they made it unable to take a hit from the LMUR, or really any HE weapon at all.
And to reinforce my point, here is the Merkava Mk.4 being overpressured on the 50.cal.
Might as well say “I won’t argue with people who doesn’t favor my main nation going stronger out of nothing”
At least this time, write the bug report for the dart honestly, not like the one you did for the Rafale.
Not really a good thing to say. It discredits you. The Leclerc is in a horrible state. There’s no advantage to playing the Leclerc when the Type 10 has the same armor, a way better shell, competitive mobility, and a faster firerate.
While SHARD may not be the answer, the underlying statement that the Leclercs are good is factually false. The Leclercs could use an armor improvement above all else.
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The difference between you and others here in this thread who don’t agree with SHARD being added is that other people are comfortable in elaborating their position so I can better understand it.
DotShini for example has a perfectly legitimate position in opposing the SHARD. DotShini has elaborated in their position stating that they oppose additions of ammo that have not been in-service for said tanks, and that’s a perfectly understandable position/preference.
If it makes you feel better though, you can chalk it up to whatever you want to believe. Take care.
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If you feel better with historical euphemisms when War Thunder has left the historically accurate realm a decent while ago, so be it.
You don’t even have a single Leclerc. Please, play them and then come back to keep and try to keep singing the mermaids song that Leclercs suffer. There’s a reason you don’t meet people playing Leclercs with objectively awful stats, like 0.7 KDR or below. And don’t bring the “muh french mains are good”.
Two of my squadmates are French Mains, and I have helped them grind events on their accounts temporarily, so yes, I do know what they’re like to play.
I can also research it myself lol
Players with stats like that are few and far between. You don’t get to top tier with that average performance.
Most Minor Nation players are better on average because those players have more time on the game on average. It’s simple statistics.
And even if I hadn’t played the Leclerc before, so what? I’ve played well over a few thousand games at the highest BR bracket possible. I have more than enough experience fighting them to know that they’re practically a non-issue. The only time I have trouble with them is when I have to use 3BM60, which is notoriously bad for top tier.
And for you, you barely maintain a 1KD in the S1, so you’re just being hypocritical.
I may use this argument in the future, it really is compelling as having the vehicles themselves on your account.
Do it.
Believing in the “skilled minor nation main” in big 2025 when everyone has rank VII premiums 🥀
confirmation bias, I can say the same about the Abrams, the T-90M, Merkava, Ariete, ZTZs and every other tank I don’t own.
It’s called hearsay, I don’t care if you believe it or not. You can be skeptical all you want. Your own KD in the S1 proves enough to me anyway.
I don’t really care to. I’m busy with a job and casually grinding the BUK right now. There’s no value to gain by grinding a vehicle with those hard factors.
What 11.7-12.7 Premium tank does France have exactly?
I do own most of those lol.
You don’t exactly get the top-tier series vehicle of this many nations without knowing a thing or two about the tanks you don’t own. Sure, I may not have the Leclerc on my own account, but I’ve killed hundreds of them.
Lol
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Nice flex, still you don’t have the vehicles related to the thread.
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Nice display of bad faith skipping the other two leclercs I own anyway.
Rank VII
We’re talking about an 11.7 to 12.7 matchmaker here. France does not have a top-tier Premium. There’s no French Click-Bait or 2A4M equivalent here to drag down their performance.
If you want me to include the vehicles with a small sample set of data alongside your most-played Leclerc, that’s a bit silly.
You have 2 times the games in your S1 compared to your S2, and 5.6 times that amount for your S21. I would have accounted for them if they were played more, but they’re not. Your S1 only has 147 games in it, so half of that isn’t even enough to spade the S2. I don’t even think you have the better shell on your S21 either.
I can’t conclude your average performance with only 26 or 77 games, man. Especially when all your most-played top-tier vehicles share similar performance to your S1.
No. I quoted Rank VII vehicles back when I talked about premiums and the “skilled minor nation main” stereotype. You’re moving the goalposts. You can effectively research the Leclercs with the dutch L2A4.
Or convenient to not talk about them anyway, as it is harder to pull those stats without being fully spaded. My stats on the S1 were because I was being used to the tank series.
Still missing the point. Without even spading them fully with the good round, I’m having a better trend than the rest of the MBTs I own. They’re effectively easier to handle.