The question was to get your opinion, not what Gaijin thinks. This is like the 4th time that you haven’t answered my question. I give up.
If shard is around the same as DM53 i see no real issue
All it would be is slight improvement and provides parity with US and Germany
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Same thermals (SEP/SEPv2 vs leclerc).
Way superior armor profile.
Way superior shell.
Very similar mobility.
What DOES leclerc do better even?
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And I’ve given you my opinion 3 times. The Leclerc doesn’t need it therefore it shouldn’t get it
There’s a consensus here on this thread that the SHARD round would give the Leclerc a more consistent round that doesn’t change where penetration occurs. Further, it has already been admitted several times in this thread that the addition of said ammo would not change the Leclerc’s place in its ranking, whether or not they believe Leclerc is 2nd best tank in the game or 5th best tank in the game.
What you’re proposing is that the Leclerc should only get a round once even more powercreep vehicles get added into the game, even though Leclerc getting SHARD would not be powercreep.
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5th time now, I didn’t ask if you think Leclerc needs it.
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Better base reload time. You don’t need a hundred games, a loader nor GE to get 5s reloads. Top tier has degraded into load times, and so the active advantages. The Leclerc may be slightly slower than an M1, yet still carries the same reload time as an aced M1, while notoriously not needing a loader nor a basket.
DM83 is quite a bit better from what i heared.
A lot goes into deafeating Heavy era and APS if i understood it right.
Specialy how its penetration plays out currently is harder to say,
No real performance values are officialy named yet only classified estimations etc
Our current guess, is that official info etc will come together with 2a8, at the very least next years Eurosatory
You asked for my opinion. My opinion is that the Leclerc shouldn’t get such a modern ammunition while most other tanks roam around with pre 2010 rounds, because the Leclerc has good stats and its firepower is enough compared to its peers
What else?
In the situation where an abrams has lost its loader the leclerc would have already fully died.
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Why are you looking at the time period rather than performance of the round?
Disclaimer: I never said it was the 2nd best tank in the game. The leclerc series has been the most consistent tank series I’ve ever played at top tier, and I’ve played both previous Abrams and Leopards. Sure, doesn’t have the best in any regard, but it’s good enough to shine where the others are claimed to be the best at. That’s all.
Yes. Because F1 is currently a decently performing round. And so Hammers, and MICAs, and M2s, and most of French systems. Their winrates shows it decently.
Could you provide a ranking of the top tier vehicles and where you would place it? And then also give a ranking if the Leclerc was given a DM53 equivalent performance shell (SHARD).
Welcome to War Thunder, not a 1v1 game. Top tier is now a place where you can now get spotted even by drones. You’re playing against other 8 players at least. And therefore, a Leclerc has simply the best flanking potential to shred a flank with its base reload time than a base Abrams, end of story.
Because we’re talking about ammunition with very little public information available. I think it’s very unlikely that the French design a shell in 2023 that only hits the same performance as a german shell from 2001.
Why are we talking about BASE crew and not relevant crew levels?
And yet reload is the only aspect a base crew leclerc is outperforming base abrams in.
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No, that is not the subject of debate here.
You won’t get a “DM53 equivalent” with 5s reload time for the Leclerc series just yet. Japan already has something like it but it’s because they literally ran out of advanced tank variants.
I think a lot of these arguments would have been cleared up a lot earlier if you had just stated from the beginning that you wouldn’t like to see SHARD added anytime soon because unlike what other posters have stated, you believe SHARD does offer more performance than what some may think. That’s a respectable position.
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It’s to understand where exactly you’re coming from and your perspective on things.
M829A2 is better than (L/44) DM53 and has a 5s reload <3
And AMV already has 5s DM53 anyway <33
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