Mate that goes for most top tier rounds we have in game
Doesn’t mean it will have 700mm of pen in game
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Mytho, you were already wrong back when you said the F-15A was better than the Su-27 back in 2023. I even told you to try it out before doing those judgements.
Don’t make me prove you wrong again.
What are you on about
Why are you mentioning something completely irrelevant in 2023
There are sources saying that other top tier rounds should have 700mm or more of pen. This doesn’t mean they will in game
I’m on about you sniffing around on matters you don’t even have the vehicles and doing judgements based on what you see or are told about.
Good thing you can be completely wrong and then back away from what you said without consequences, if you don’t recognize what you said there, it says a lot about the integrity over time of some of your arguments.
I know they use a different calculator, but placing a round outperforming every single current round (even by pesimistic numbers) on an autoloader because “France suffers” is something that is not happening. France doesn’t have the bad stats nor the basic need for a new round right now, no matter how loud the cryout is.
All i am saying is there are sources for rounds in game at top tier with 700mm of pen but don’t get that in game. I don’t see how shard can’t be any different to how Gajin calculates rounds. So if its performance is around DM53 levels in game i see no reason not to add it.
I have no clue what you are even talking about
Yeah i don’t have the Leclerc but i know how well it round performs in other tanks and know how well DM53 performs. I also know the armour of the Leclerc compared to others. I think people are overhyping what SHARD would bring as it would in most cases only allow for better post pen damage
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Oh sure you do have a clue. Have a fun reading how you lectured us how good the F-15A was. It has always been bad, no matter uptiers. It was trash at release, bested on dogfights by the Gripen and Mirage 4000, and in BVR by the Su-27. And now with decompression, it has gone slightly better, yet the lack of HMS is still a huge burden.
France doesn’t need extra pen to perform good. it already does fine.
I said the same when I backed up the proposal to buff the MICAs. Now we’re dealing with a monotonous air top tier where Rafales usually ends up winning games.
What was i arguing here that the F15A is good?
I don’t know how it feels in the match maker right now but it is pretty solid
Lack HMD is not that much of an issue since you have ACM modes and your missiles don’t really have good enough pull to take advantage of it anyway
How is this relevant to SHARD
So you’re essentially and stubbornly wrong even when the plane obviously didn’t performed to you at all, I rest my case.
Have fun asking for SHARD still, Gaijin won’t add it without a new Leclerc iteration. Looks like French players are performing good enough with OFL 120 F1.
Ok Gajin like to make wacky decisions with there statistics
(Not giving the British Phantoms Super temps even though that would make them on par with the US ones at the same BR)
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576 is bad and a 5 second reload doesn’t make it up for it when I have to aim a precise spot while anyone can just autopen me.
However, I would gladly go for a reload buff and keep the same round, that’s a good solution. But atm it’s not equal to the others.
Careful you’re at it again …
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Disingenuous. You already know it’s not related to France in particular like at all lmao.
On my phone atm can’t use reverso lol but seems like a really smart word
With all these new darts people talk about, it’s like people talking about adding AIM-9X to just one or 2 top tier planes
Are you trying to justify Gaijin’s horrible balancing system?
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If this is true, then no, SHARD shouldn’t be added.
However, i’ve also heard from multiple people that it’s comparable to DM53, so I don’t really know.
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Last I remeber the SuperBias, Lorraine, and Somua aren’t the Leclerc.
Not at all, just telling the simple truth. If you want to pretend I’m some sort of devil’s advocate and I am endorsing Gaijin’s balance decisions… think whatever you want. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Some said above that Gaijin tends to tone down the numbers as M829A2/DM53 have allegedly similar performance IRL as SHARD, but I doubt Gaijin will underrepresent French’s performance as they basically lack technological depth to play around for future additions, SHARD might be one of if not the last APFSDS they can get without resorting to NATO-standardized shells.
Just making sure, you never know.
I think some sacrifices can be made for balance.
Huh…
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Shit… Must have been a while since I last played France