Give back the Tiger 105, Coelian, Panther 2 and Maus to the German TT

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Gaijin needs to return these vehicles in some way or another, Tiger 2 is overall decent but its in no way fairly comparable to vehicles like IS4M which you can’t even pen its side armor, unless the player knows what he’s doing, there’s no way he will ever destroy an IS4M, when the IS4M player can just shoot anywhere on the Tiger 2’s turret.

Tiger 105:

My argument for Tiger 105 is that it should come back, but not because it would actually be an amazing upgrade to the default Tiger 2 (which can’t be), but more so as an extra spawn, being a Tiger 2 slightly faster + with a far better shell. Tiger 105 should be put in a folder right under Tiger 2. This tank should be 6.7 too btw.

Panther II

This one I understand why people tend to hate so much. This tank would not have existed into this form ever, with the only possibility of a totally different tank that wasn’t meant to be actually called Panther II and not even that one would fit well. WT’s Panther II is a copy of E50 but with the Panther F turret thing. So Gaijin either just adds an up armored Panther D in a folder with the other 3 Panthers or rename it to E50.

Coelian:

This tank was literally built but with a turret made out of wood, the “paper vehicle” argument hardly stands when vehicles like E100 exist in game under the same LAW. This tank should be returned without any kind of drama that this community continues to plague these vehicles with. Coelian should be put in a folder under Ostwind 2 which literally never existed and nobody asked for, but ofc they added it anyway.

Maus:

Maus tanks were built, I don’t think anyone would need any proof of that…So Maus was removed because apparently it wasn’t possible to “balance”…right. I mean this is a nice example of how Game companies just lie blatantly for no actual reason, they didn’t try hard enough to balance it, they didn’t care to balance it in the first case, lazy behavior, a classic occurance from Gaijin. This tank should be put after Tiger 2, reasonably at 7.3 BR because Maus stands no chance against the 8.7 HEAT/APDS massacre that would have never faced irl anyway, I mean there is heat rounds even before 7.3 that can pen it and for all the american and soviet mains which will ofc give me the argument that Maus is somehow impossible to destroy…well all you have to do is flank the heck out of it, exactly how you would an IS4M (except IS4M is twice as fast and has basically hardly penetrable sides you need to aim for the literal floor of the tank and impenetrable front armor.

The fact that they added these vehicles breaks the whole “paper vehicle” argument as its more of a bad joke at this point, every TT has its own paper vehicle BS but Germany isn’t allowed to have its own vehicles. Basically (for your general understanding) If the devs give the paper vehicle argument, it means that they have a bias against the said vehicle, ofc with the highest lvl of hypocrisy possible.

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Maus is the only real one of the bunch.

E-100 was not added after their removal, and E-100’s hull was also made.
Tiger-105 was the most recent fake vehicle and it’s correctly delisted, and correctly 7.0 as it is superior to Tiger 2H.
IS-4M is 7.7, Tiger 2 is 6.7 as well. False equivalence.
Ostwind 2 did exist as there’s a shipment manifest unless you have proof the shipment manifest was forged, or they shipped air.

Maus also bounces 90mm HEATFS consistently… angle.
Your entire post proves zero hypocrisy, and only proves consistency.

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It isn’t.

It’s the Panther II hull, but with the HL 234 engine, and a Tiger II transmission. The E-50 has a visually different hull.

Also the Maus comes back every year. It’s not trully removed unlike the other tanks.

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Panther II its literally nothing, its completely made up

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The hull exists. It’s literally in display.

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You need to take into account what a vehicle faces in down tiers and up tiers, and you can’t tell me you’re not being uptiered 80% of the time in this game. So its very much fair to compare them, IS3 and IS4 are faster than Tiger 2s btw, so IS3/IS4 not only have the best armor possible, but also the best cannon and actual decent speed and Ostwind 2 is completely made up, I haven’t even found anything like paper designs.

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Legit duplicate thread, use this one

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The hull is the same as the one already in game for the Panther G? Doesn’t rlly matter, I said that the Panther II can at best be completely remodeled or renamed to E50. Panther II was never supposed to have the cannon that it displays in-game, instead the E50 was. Gaijin basically copied some aspects of the E50 and made a soup with it.
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No, the Panther II hull is specifically up-armored.

In real life, the US installed a Panther G turret for display, since no turret was completed for the Panther II. However, the hull is very much the Panther II, with its improved armor.

You’re asking for the Panther II to be replaced with a tank that we don’t even really have any stats for besides the fact it weights at least 50 tonnes.

Also, it wasn’t Gaijin that made up the in game Panther II. The Panther II 88 exists because of effectively a blunder made by Walter J. Spielberger. Gaijin very much based the in game Panther II on this mistake.

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Maybe you could argue that the Panther II is what an advanced Panther F would have been like, as I heard Panther F was to receive some form of night vision system, TO BE HONEST I do not mind Panther II just coming back to the game as it is, but I just wanted to let people that I know why they might be upset about this one coming back.

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Either way, the paper vehicle argument is already been broken multiple times by them, they could as well just add anything at this point, but some people take offence to heart that a concept vehicle might get added, like its really not that deep, ITS A GAME, which can’t be called realistic, can’t be called fair, can’t be called historically accurate.

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I see 7.7 matches in my 6.7s about half the time cause 6.0 is so popular that I see 7.0 matches often enough.
IS-4Ms are a rare sight for me, so rare I can tell you the last time I fought one was in Iberian Castle where I 1v1’d it with my T26E5 and obviously won cause it couldn’t pen me.
Haven’t seen one in a Tiger 2, just IS-3s and… I fragged about as many of them as they have me.

Ostwind 2 is a completed prototype that was shipped.
Also the best armor for the BR goes to T26E5, and the best armor at 7.7 goes to Conqueror and Maus.

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No. Its wider and must be used same parts of tracks of e-75

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So E50 was meant to be the little brother of Lowe?

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There’s a difference between paper vehicles which you know at least the basic information about, and something like the E-50 which as far as I know we literally don’t even know the upper glacis thickness of.

Gaijin would have to fake their way even more so than the Panther II to have an E-50 in game.

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In chassis it wider then panther, bun not so hich as lowe or something. And it may have stab

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All of them were concepts of some sort, so Gaijin should actually make the point that only vehicles that have been produced should be added OR any other vehicle that had been semi designed. So they either add vehicles with total historical accuracy or not.

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The odd thing is that Hillary Doyle says he has papers from Ostbau saying the Ostwind II, as intended, was never constructed. He said it was simply a late-war proposal that Germany had no capacity to manufacture as it would have required a substantially redesigned and rebuilt turret

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Well, I just know the shipping manifest was for a working prototype, likely to a testing facility.
Where it ended up IDK, I just know the doc exists.
That and Kugelblitz is more of a replacement than Ostwind 2.

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Tiger 105 was never real at all nor do I think its a good idea to add it back fully as its easy free food for my centurions despite being played by the better german mains/

Coelian Should come back as its a cool more real design but that area for SPAA is oversaturated now and the Zestorer is toxic as hell, Germany doesn’t suffer from lack of spaa like America.

Maus was difficult to balance and it being an annual event vehicle I think is fine for such a morbidly obese legend.

Panther 2 should not come back as it was in the game but as it really was, a thicker armoured panther D.

Germany (but other nations need this too) needs some paper vehicles to fill gaps like how the USSR has loads of one off prototypes and paper vehicles to fill it out. germany has the more interesting late ww2 designs to do too so its a real missed opportunity

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