i and a lot others dont mind if the KF41 would have stayed exclusive to the italien tech tree for a few patches, the problem is they outright denied it completly for the german tree. As a response angry players are demanding it now
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would you really want to fly an F-4F with only 9Ls at 11.3 or higher I doubt it, the fact the F-4F is at 10.7 with 9Js is honestly a buff rather than a nerf
The F-4F was the worst high tier F-4 in the entire game and was added like 2 years after the F-4E and all the other F-4’s that existed at the time like the EJ and the 2 british ones, which were all also better than it. The fact it still doesnt have its 9L’s is a joke considering its a post 9183 refit (when it got mavs AND 9L’s) and the only reason its half decent rn is because 10.7 is a preferential matchmaking BR due to not being in range of 12.0.
You are completely misremembering what the F-4F’s history was
Italy is an almost completely unique tree tf do they need MORE uniquess for at the expense of Germany’s shit tier rank 7 lineup
Also most of the hungarian TT is unique as well???
Man, it’s getting tiring honestly.
- When was the last time Germany had been handheld? Right… 4 YEARS AGO, stop living in the distant past.
- There are many vehicles in nations that didn’t actually use them but designed them: see Challenger 2E being the best example, or the new Leclerc AZUR (it was used by UAE but not by France).
F-4F just got 9Js
And nobody wanted that?! From the very first day German players said they’d rather take 9Fs and sit at a lower BR or 9Ls and sit at a higher BR than use a missile that couldn’t even be used by the F-4F Late (considering the fact the rails are incompatible).
The German tree has been so handheld in the past
Totally not me looking at R3 and G.91 YS right now. Honestly I’m so tired of people arguing that because Germany was favoured some 4 to 5 years ago, they should unironically suffer now. This is honestly just toxic as hell and really makes me think lowly of you.
to me it feels like yall are entitled to everything german because it was made in germany, just take the L and become more loud about the issues with the PUMA, do not make the single unique high rank vehicle that Hungary adds to Italy just because it was made in germany, hell they already are not adding the Leo 2A7 they have since it is better than the german one just take that W and walk away
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Ok but why should only italy get it just to make one singular vehicle in a sub tree they dont have influence over keep its uniqueness? Why should france have gotten the sk105 when it wouldve given germany a unique sub tree tank at the time?
Why are other nations allowed to cry about not getting their vehicles but us german mains say one thing and everyone tells us to stop.
because you always do this, why are other nations export vehicles in their trees, simple nations that buy em are not ingame, why did the Swiss hunter even go to germany, Italy lacked any squadron vehicle and yall already had the Me262 as a squadron vehicle, why did the Leo MEXAS go to germany instead of the UK since it is canadian, why did the Class 3 P go to germany instead of the UK. yall have your stuff you have vehicle you frankly should not have, and yet you cry about this just because gaijin ignores your bug reports the same they do to Italy about the Arietes
Edit: I forgot the Leo 2AV was made to be an export Leo for the US and yet yall still have that too
As we have every right too. So many players seem to forget france kicked and screamed theur lungs out at the thought that germany would be getting the very unique (for germany) argentinian japz ka2 in the argentian sub tree. But now that the roles are reversed its a sin for german mains to ask for an even more reasonable request than french players.
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we did not ask for it in any form
both german developed , same /similar to export ,
so you see all export or similar tanks went to their rightfull owners
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why did the Swiss hunter even go to germany
Nobody that plays Germany wanted it. You’re just pushing a false narrative now. Gaijin’s official stance was to, ekhem, “plug a gap”… we said they should use Alpha Jet for it, they didn’t listen.
why did the Leo MEXAS go to germany instead of the UK since it is canadian
Because it’s a Leopard 1 (made in Germany, sold to Canada), with German armour (MEXAS-M) and German projectiles.
I forgot the Leo 2AV was made to be an export Leo for the US and yet yall still have that too
Oh ye I totally forgot the tank that was created for Germany but sent to US for tests… woo hoo!
IT WASN’T MADE FOR EXPORT NOR FOR THE US. It was made for comparative trials with the XM-1 MBT, the possiblity of selling it to the US was secondary. Germany even made multiple Leopard 2AVs, but you wouldn’t know that, would you?!
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Not as great an argument as you think seeing as the M113 ADATS in the BRITISH TT is a mix of a swiss air defence system (should go to germany) and an american chassis (should go to US) but went to UK because “they needed a better SPAA”
Germany needs the KF41, desperately, and they designed and build the entire vehicle. The only thing hungarian about it are the people inside
that specific prototype was, it was also made in a way that can switch kinda easily between the 105 and 120, that specific AV was meant for the US
In the first dev server, the SK105 was Austrian
the PUMA will get a spike variant in the future and yall cried about that not being added for a long while, while it was in the files
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Oh my the swiss hunter? You mean a variant of a vehicle already in the british tech tree? The m1a1 aim is austrailian, a nation that is already in the british premium tree. And i dont want to hear it with the german exports, because if every other nations gets to keep their failed prototypes and exports then so should germany.
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It literally got denied, and even if it got added in the current state of the Puma, itd still be worse lmao
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I cant tell if you’re obtuse or a troll
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Point is: thats not how it works. Hungary is a nice addition to Italy, not a whole techtree. Its supposed to make Italy a bit fuller than it was before. Its not supposed to be special or anything.
Therefore cutting Germany off of their tanks just to give them to a nation (Italy), that has nothing to do with it, is crazy.
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I have a headache and I got barely any sleep, so just irritated by the german community, I will dip and let someone else argue with you annoying lot
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that specific prototype was, it was also made in a way that can switch kinda easily between the 105 and 120, that specific AV was meant for the US
No it very much wasn’t. The Leopard 2AV was modified for the German - US tank trials, modified to fit US design requirements…why tho? Because they wished to make the components of their vehicles interchangeable (however they ultimately failed). It wasn’t an export bid, in fact the MOU signed between FRG and the US in 1974 only stated that Leopard 2AV will be brought in for trails against the XM-1. The possibility of it being exported wasn’t considered until much later on (until 1977 in fact).
The tank sent to US in question? Yeah it didn’t have the 120mm, it couldn’t mount it. In fact the vehicle sent to US didn’t even have armour - the one in the game does, wanna know why? Because it’s a Leopard 2AV post-US trials.
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