This shows how ignorant you are in this matter, no more, no less.
As I wrote earlier, your comments are not interesting to me, but you continue to build a philosopher out of yourself.
It’s different, you don’t understand! Right? You say that the KF-41 was not in Germany, he does not need it, but when I give an example with the T-90, you say, I quote: “dry style of play”
Did you miss everyone saying they just want an assurance that Germany will receive KF41 at all?
Or do you believe selective reading is the way to go. In fact the point of this thread was the hypocrisy that Gaijin is applying to withhold the Lynx from Germany. Everyone who came here since then (and is opposed to the Lynx in German TT) never actually agreed with people who said Lynx can be added later on, all of them expressed that Germany should not be getting it at all, until Conte saying it for the first time today.
What are you smoking? What CAS do Germany have? The overtiered tornado? The hit-or-miss Tiger UHT that you have to pray that your PARS won’t detonate mid-air for no reason? The ITO, Pantsir and TOR are much better then Flakbus.
Italy has the same Tornado, the missile nerf was the final nail in the Coffin for the FlaRakRad which is why many players have to have a dedicated fighter in the lineup against CAS now. The UHT is only usable on some maps, and basically useless on others.
calm down a bit, it is better if we all get a bit down, he already said it is ok if germany gets it in 2 patches, we dont need to get the KF41 immediatly, just sooner then later
There is literally no good reason not to add it to germany which could use a support tank at top tier since they have none.
Gaijin should just add the lynx to germany point!!!
Germany only has better CAS, better helicopters, and better SPAA. They aren’t nearly better ENOUGH
They have the same tier of CAS, both have the Tornado, therefore how? Ironically the thermal pod on the Italian IDS is better than Litening II, so you can make an argumen that Italy is slightly better in the CAS department.
The UHT isn’t as good as you think tho, and don’t you even dare tell me it’s the best helicopter in the game, but yeh it is overall better on some maps, but worse on other maps. It’s a very situational helicopter.
SPAA - everyone suffers but Russia and China.
I can think of several.
So can anybody who’s not a German Main.
better cas??? Italy has the same cas plane as germany for top tier and the spaa isn’t great anymore.
But that shouldn’t be the reason that germany doesn’t get german vehicles.
Man, you’re the one that is whining right now. The CAS of both nations is identical, and in case you missed the last half a year:
Look at the survey and you see that 2/3s agree.
That germany didn’t use it is a bad reason and that would go for half of the vehicles for italy aswell.
That the hungarian tree should be unique is a trash reason aswell because half is c&p already and is no excuse to put a german tank only to italy
I’m very happy for IT/HUN to get it first.
Though I continue to be confused by the idea that this vehicle would be the only plausible reason for people to play IT/HUN over other trees, when there are several very cool unique vehicles that you can only play by being in that tree. The issue with Italy was never quality or coolness, it was quantity. And there’s a few very good WW2 Hungarian vehicles in there… and many more they could have added to make it even more unique.
I said I can somewhat agree on that but when it comes to the KF41 being added this patch is something ridiculous and something I can’t agree to at all. Seems like you’ve misread some of my things and are answering my questions with irrelevant answers.
Let’s agree to disagree since I’m not going to take this amount of disrespect you’re throwing at me.
By you because you claim german vehicles only for Italy. I don’t have a problem if it’s in both tree, but Germany developed it. You are whining that hungary isn’t unique anymore and germany didn’t use it. Both are arguments with no basis in war thunder how vehicles are added
I said I can somewhat agree on that but when it comes to the KF41 being added this patch is something ridiculous and something I can’t agree to at all . Seems like you’ve misread some of my things and are answering my questions with irrelevant answers .
Perhaps, but pretty much we just want KF41 to be simply added, doesn’t have to be now, can be in the future, however many who came here outright denied it for us alltogether based on misguided view of it somehow “robbing” Hungary of its “identity” (to which we punched back because it applied to our nation as well).
Let’s agree to disagree since I’m not going to take this amount of disrespect you’re throwing at me.
Your arguments were rubbish, no offense but they simply were.
Italy has 3 Arietes with recently added DM53, a Centauro 120 and now the Lynx to back up top tier.
Germany doesn’t have a top tier light tank or IFV. Germany hasn’t even had a new Rank 7 since 2020 yet alone a new MBT. And at least the OTOMATIC is capable of killing anything within a 1km radius (like heli rushers) unlike the FlaRakRad.
The F16 and Tornado came at the same time for Italy. Germany had to wait 3 months for the Mig 29, just like every other German top tier aircraft for the last 3 years.
Helicopter wise Germany has the worst premium to grind with out of all nations, but, fine, you win, happy?
Most people here and myself dont have a problem with the Lynx in the Italian tree, but then to deny Germany (the developer of the Lynx) is a whole new level of selfishness.
Do people not grind the Italian M18 because it’s not exclusive to their tree already? Because I’m pretty sure I’ve seen my fair share of Italian players having the time of their lives with the Italian M18. But maybe I’ve just made it up, since apparently people don’t grind any vehicle that is already present in a major tree.
I guess that must be bad news for the Italo-Hungarian Leo2 and T-72. By your analysis, no one will play them.
No no no, now you are twisting my words. That’s not what I said. I never said that nobody plays foreign copy-pasted vehicles like the Italian Hellcat. That’s just lying about what I said. I said if the KF41 will go to Germany, most people would grind that instead of the Hungarian one, which would lose many players for the Hungarian tree, there would be much less incentive to grind Hungary, if you can play one of the best trees (Germany) and get the vehicle instead. Ofc some people will still grind the Hungarian one, but nowhere near as many as otherwise would have. The Hungarian KF41 would go from a good reason people grind Hungary for, to just a copy-paste of a vehicle most people grind in the German tree. By “my analysis” people will still play the Hungarian Leo 2A4 and T-72M1 (which should be the T-72M CURRUS but that’s another rant), but nobody will specifically grind Hungary for the Leo 2A4 or T-72M1 as they can grind much larger and easier trees to get those. Currently people will want the KF41 and grind Hungary for that reason. If Germany gets it then most of those people will just quickly pick up the German version and forget about grinding Hungary.
How is that not interesting?
I never said they won’t be interesting, I said the Leo 2A4 and T-72M1 aren’t unique to Hungary, which is a fact.
Again, you keep talking of the grind like it’s a chore. One would assume people play through the Italian tree because it’s fun. Not because of one single vehicle - which also implies they wouldn’t care to go back to lower BRs and they’re only a speed bump to the “crown jewel”, which is manifestly false since I see Italian players at every BR, just like all other countries.
I also don’t think like that. I love playing the WW2 tiers and don’t just see the grind to top tier. But unfortunately loads (maybe most) people do just care about top tier and do see low BRs as speed bumps. But if there isn’t something good, unique, interesting at top tier (KF41), that reduces your incentive to grind down that line, people may only grind the WW2 vehicles and ignore the rest.
Nearly noone goes only after top tier vehicles because line ups are too important in war thunder. That’s such a stupid reason tbh.
So Italy should never receive a hungarian or italian leo because else noone would grind germany to the top?
Firstly the new Leo 2 is a rank 7 MBT.
Secondly it isn’t about selfishness, I don’t believe you still can’t see our point of view from nearly 500 messages and replies.
Our POV: Germany can be buffed and become competitive without making the one high tier unique and interesting vehicle of the new Hungarian subtree no longer unique and get completely overshadowed.
Our solution:
-Fix/buff Puma, give it spikes
-Add Puma S1
-Add KF31 or eventually KF51
-Add any other new German vehicle other than the KF41
problem is all options propably need another 1-2 years