No, it wasn’t.
The EC8 eg. was most populated by Su27/J11s on WP and F16 on NATO side.
You see, you comment on stuff you know nothing about.
I meant before that, I forgot that AMRAAMs are the new meta, sorry
It still doesnt distract from the fact that germany almost always has a Top Tier aircraft maybe an update update behind the US/USSR, but they at least get top tiers, Again i will bring up the fact that for over a year Britains best aircraft was an 11.7 attacker and Sweden was stuck with the JA-37D at 11.7 for a full year, Sure the ICE isnt great, but it is Germanys turn to wait, the Eurofighter would be minimum 13.0 assuming the DA airframes get added, and there is no reason for it to go to germany or any nation before the others
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Only in case of the MiG-29s;
- F-4F was added a year after the F-4E
- MiG-23MLA was added ~9 months after the MLD
- MiG-21Bis was added a whole year after the Russian one
The last time (i.e before 29s) Germany had received a meta worthy jet within a reasonable time period had been the MiG-21MF over 3 years ago.
Between the MF and the MiG-29s, Germany had consistently been on average 6 - 12 months late to the party.
Sure the ICE isnt great, but it is Germanys turn to wait
Considering Germany has always been the one to wait for up to date additions if you refer to what I’ve written above. In the last ~5 years, we didn’t have to “wait” for something only once (MiG-21MF) and only a short while twice (MiG-29s) - everything else had required the utmost of patience from us.
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I am talking about prior to Seek and Destroy.
(this is the last month stats from Thunderskill)
Top table is for RB and bottom for SB.
So, how was ANY Mig29 “meta”, let alone a GER one?
The GER still waits for the >25hp on DB605DB, twelve years later.
Also, GER doesn’t need to get EuFi, but some kinda GEN4 Fox3 capable fighter would be in order.
It’s not being greedy, it’s asking for a competent plane for the top tier, where meta now shifts considerably with ARH introduction.
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Mig 29G gets no fox 3’s, has 2 r27s and a 4 r73s, it is in a much worse state than the j11a is, also take into note that it doesnt have much countermeasure
you seem to have completely missed my point, Germany always has consistently had a Top tier Aircraft, sure they might not get things at the same time as others, but they normally have another option to back it up, the Mig-29 could have been a Model issue as it was not just C&P from the soviet one, lets not forget that the Mig-29G outperformed the Mig-29SMT and was one of the best aircraft at top tier until Fox-3 came along
You do know that consistently having a top tier aircraft and it arriving months after equivants in other trees are not compatible, right?
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Well, apart from the time when their top tier aircraft was;
- 21Bis against the F-4J and MiG-23MLD
- MiG-23MLA against the F-14A
- Tornado against the F-16s
- 21MF against the F-4E and MiG-21Bis
Which make up for the majority of the Germany’s experience at top tier in the last 4 years, then yea, they consistently had a “top tier” aircraft that just so happened to had been added a year after its actual counterparts and now had to contend with jets that danced circles around them.
but they normally have another option to back it up
Quit making excuses. Those “other options” have always been out-of-date aircraft that haven’t got the chance to compete against other jets at the same playing field.
lets not forget that the Mig-29G outperformed the Mig-29SMT and was one of the best aircraft at top tier until Fox-3 came along
Congratulations for managing to name the ONE TIME Germany wasn’t eating dirt 24/7 because that SURELY makes up for the fact the time before the 29G was absolutely painful.
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Worse than that, went down to 11.3 at the start of the year
Not really.
So, in RB 29G had somewhat better kill ratio than SMT, but also had 3 times less games, so SMT was played by every idiot and their dog and still scored a better WR. in SB, on the other hand, when the amount of battles was similar, SMT is still considerably better kill ratio than 29G.
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Mig-29G was the better of the 2 top tier migs. As it had the R-73s but the lighter airframe compared to the Mig-29SMT. It was just less people play Germany air than they play soviets.
So DAs could be added right now, correct? Top tier BR already is 13.0
Also Italians wouldnt get it as early, their first EFT, DA.3, already came with EF200s, unlike the DA.1 and DA.2 which flew with the weaker RB.199-104s for some time, and Britain already has the Gripen, they can deal with Eurofighter a patch or so later
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Well, stats beg to differ.
All 3 nations should get Typhoon at the same time. It is stupid and unfair to expect Italy and Britain to miss out on their principle top tier fighter, just because they both have gotten Gripens from a Sub-TT.
Im guessing all 3 will get a DA Typhoon, but im guessing they will be indentical and be essentially an amalgam of different DA aircraft. either that or they will skip straight to the full production Typhoon at about 13.3 ish.
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Stats from where?
No official data is provided and thunderskill is horrendously bad. It only records something like 2% of matches
I saw plenty of Mig-29Gs last year
How is it “horrendously bad”?
Well, I saw even “plentier” SMTs and Su27s.
Besides, 2% is just some Reddit guy estimation, based on all sortsa assumptions some of which, I KNOW, are wrong, so it may easily be triple or quadruple that and then we’re within election polling sample eg. that usually comes up right.
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It’s barely a tiny snapshot of current matches and data.
its also stupid and unfair that one nation misses out on a 4th gen Fox-3 carrier, yet here we are.
Or to put it differently, its their turn to wait
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Yes, it is Germany’s turn to wait.
Try fighting Mig-29s or Mig-29Gs in the Tornado F3 or Viggen D. It was not fun.
ICE at least has equal weapons to everyone else at top tier. Im doing just fine in the Sea Harrier FA2 vs Su-27s and Mig-29s. ICE should be laughing at the moment.
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Well yeah, but J11a does have higher BR