Germany need a more efficient SPAA in 6.7 BR

You gotta admit though the 23mm is easily the best gun at its tier. Sure the bosvark sucks but it is nuce to slap CAS with the 23s

I like it, it’s just slow as shit, turns awful and has huge deadzones. But it works…

ZSD 63/PG87 is great also. Especially after they buffed the reload.

My favorite right now is the ZSU-23-4 ground attack…that think just chews up planes.

Kinda, but not really since the guns never alternate, vs Ostwind 2 where they alternate almost all the time (even if shots aren’t perfectly spaced out). So you only have 450rpm at all times, and it’s the same story with the Zerstorer despite it having 4 guns. The only upgrade there is that gun spread MIGHT cause near misses to hit.

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Anyway, about the Kugelblitz: didn’t it originally move to 7.0 because of the HVAP, but then that got nerfed anyway? So what’s the point of it staying there when vehicles like the M53/59 have a better HVAP shell in a better belt at a lower BR?

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Because Gaijin are morons. They use some BS spreadsheet data to push it up into a BR where it can barely function or compete.

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in my experience, ZSU-57-2 is just hard to shoot down jet fighters, but in 7.0. But in most cases, the ZSU-57-2 will only encounter propeller-driven aircraft and a small number of jet fighters

That is what i want

I was mostly talking about AT capabilities. Since HVAP damage is dogpoop, you kinda need these additional shells. Vs planes - yeah, it’s 400. M42 takes 1 shot to kill a plane basically, even fairly big one. MK103 while very powerfull, will only kill fighters with a single hit. Vs bombers it gets tricky. Vs jets it gets hilarious when they just absorb 30mm HEIT and nothing happens.

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In 6.7 BR exist an OP SPAA for germany called Coelian or Flakpanzer 341… but own only veteran players, who researched it before remove from tech tree…

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Kugel is literally right there at 7.0, left to rot, just dead.

I’m still baffled they refuse to lower the BR or ever even put it at 7.0, in what world is the Kugel .3 away from the M163 or Shilka?

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I know it. But I think Flakpanzer 341is not op now, as its weapon is same as the ostwind 2.

You’re right. But, if Zerstörer could only fire to those aircraft near 1km, what is the difference between Zerstörer and wirbelwind, not to mention that wirbelwind actually have better firepower(same bullet speed in around 1km, faster fire rate, more ammo per clip, more armor protection). Further more, those denser 20mm bullet could even have better ability to drive away enemy aircraft.

You rang?

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No, I can’t see any vehicle on your picture, you mean coelian? no, it is even more surreal than Ho-Ri. XD

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You can be a real threat with the PzGr H (77mm pen) against light and medium tanks. In general, I don’t fight aircraft at long range unless Pe8 and Co have not been stopped by aircraft.
For me, SPAA are close-range protection for allies. In my opinion, protection from enemy aircraft is first and foremost the responsibility of allied aircraft. Unfortunately, this is often shamefully neglected.

postwar SPAAs are needed not those WWII trash

This statement not true, Flakpanzer 341 is armored and based on Panther which mean able to resist autocannon shots and also able to resist CAS and fighter’s MG. Much hard to kill crews and ammo from above… if you able to use ostwind II u will able to use Flakpanzer 341. Similar but not same.

Yeah, things like Skink and cool girl actually seeing something like SU-11, if it doesn’t dive nose down then what are these critters going to do to protect their team? furthermore they are not going to prevent bombers from dropping their load, maybe after they dropped their load and not even that because of those pathetic shell velocities.

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Then, you can’t answer the original question, without 77mm pen havp, Zerstorer is a failed spaa on 6.0, even worse than wirbelwind.(And 77mm havp is even not so effective to kill the middle tank in my opinion). And the allied aircraft, you mean 109/190? Germany air force is the biggest joke in warthunder.

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Yes, but 37mm is no quite effective in 6.7, unlike mk103. This is some kind of balance.