would it be fair if the 2a5 sits at 11.3 then instead of 11.0 with dm 43? and the pl at 11.0 instead of 11.3? or would this be to overpowered? i mean t80uk ad t80 u sit at 11.3
No, people aren’t overestimating the power of DM33 on a really good package like 2A4 at 10.3.
It would be brokenly OP.
2A5 with DM43 is still better than T-80U and those two shouldn’t share same BR.
Clearly you have other nations in your team that can fill the 11.3 spots, but I do agree Germany has some higher tier spots to fill, just like a couple other nations as well.
in which way is the 2a5 better? And what would it need to be at the same br?
Mobility, gun handling, gun depression and even reload speed with Expert crew.
T-80U has better UFP armor which is compensated by poor turret armor and slightly better forward mobility.
I don’t think the 2a5 should really be a lower BR than its closest comparable tanks that sit at 11.7, Leopard 2PL could go to 11.0 and have DM33 or DM43 though probably, especially if the M1A1 isn’t moving up.
even if they only give it dm 43? I dont see 2a7v and the 2a5 at the same br. either raise the br of 2a7v or lower the br of the 2a5. For the first option Germany should recieve tanks in the proposed BR range.
leo2a5 does well even with dm33 really, the tank itself is just quite good regarding mobility+armor and as long as you have DM33 or better the gun is good enough too.
they need to raise BR a lot I agree to fit these tanks better
like I said earlier I think germany should get a modernized leopard 2a4 for a 10.7-11.3 tank
then our opinions dont differ that much. In a comment before i wrote a later production 2a4 with better round or 2a4 evo, hellenic 2a4 in the leopard 2k line. And the pso should be in this like as well
Go on and calculate other nations:
Who is filling the caps on this 11.3 battle? We are 15/16 players german. Yes, someone apparently has the Leo 2 PL, but once that tank is destroyed what is there to spawn next? Maybe another 11.3? Oh nope there are no other german 11.3. So take 11.0 instead. Oh nope, there are no 11.0 german tanks. So 10.7 it is, except that those do not exist either.
DM33 is a 3BM42 equivalent, and they hand that shit out like candy
This has no relevance.
uh huh buddy. T-series tanks get Mango starting at 9.7, but giving the 2A4 an equivalent moves it up to 11.0?
Yeah? Do you think maybe tanks are balanced around all of their characteristics and not just one? Do you actually think the T-72B or T-72AV have a single thing on the Leopard 2A4 currently? Lol?
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Yeah, so lets move the T-72TURMS to 11.0 because it has better thermals than the Leopard 2A4, and a better round, and the most trolly set of K-1 in the game
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Meanwhile 95% of the stats that matter are better in the leopard 2a4 than the t72av lmao
You will get CLOWNED if you try to say to anybody with a brain that the T-72s and T-64s that have mango are ANYWHERE near as competitive as the base 2A4 lol
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Like what, reverse speed? If russian mains had their way, the T90M would be 9.7 because of the shitty transmission
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Ground BR needs to be raised to 12.7 just like Air BR.
Gaijin introducing Rank VIII without even breaking 12.0 BR was a gigantic exclamation point shouting that they do not play their own game or have any knowledge of how to balance it.
Unless you advocate for it it will not happen, Gaijin does not know what it is doing.
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Let’s find out together!
here’s all of the things the Leopard 2A4 does better than the T-72AV!
- Reload (!)
- Gun depression (!)
- Speed (by a lot) (!)
- Hull traverse
- Turret traverse
- Acceleration
- Top speed
- Reverse speed (!)
- Survivability (!)
Let’s see what the T-72AV has over the Leopard!
- Armor (marginally, the 2A4 turret is good) (!)
- Ammo (!)
- Autoloader (As much of a negative as a positive. Only reason this is here is so your gun keeps reloading if somebody dies)
- Thermals (!)
- CITV
- Profile
Leopard 2A4 easily wins that.
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only with an ACED crew, anything below that the autoloader wins
with the amount of CQB maps this really doesnt matter as much as people says it does
IIRC the speed difference between the 2A4 and the TURMS is mostly down to acceleration rather than top speed
Again, acceleration
it does have the better turret traverse so point there
Again, it does have better acceleration so point there
8km difference lmao
It does yes
Now this is the kicker, an extra crew member is really nice at times, but they get knocked out incredibly quickly. The 2A4s armor is a really buggy mess that isnt something to be relied on, not to mention I think almost every MBT at its tier can frontally pen it from most any angle. Losing the loader/commander immediately drops your reload massively.
Marginally yes, but the K-1 allows for some really funky interactions that just absolutely swallow darts into the shadow realm, not to mention that frontal shots at the drivers port often either just dont work or the driver eats an entire dart and doesnt penetrate further into the tank
Yes, the Mango round is better than DM23
Which is a MASSIVE benefit, because the only time manual loading is better is when the crew is aced and the loader is still alive, compared to the undamageable and constant auto loader
Gen 1 thermals are a massive pain in the butt, you cant tell me that 2nd Gen thermals arent a massive upgrade from gen 1
I get why people use it, but beyond some niche circumstances its almost negligible in game
Honestly this is a really understated aspect of tanks, smaller and more squat tanks are a lot harder to spot and have access to a lot more cover
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