No? My 2A4 has a reload of 6.9s even with only a 5/5 crew. I could easily pay for expert and get it lower even, probably around 6.5s where the T-80 is. The 6.9s is already faster than any T-72 or T-90 variant.
Matters in just about every map I play on. Maybe you don’t utilize terrain effectively.
Disagree. 2A4 is just faster by a LOT in general in all directions including traverse and reverse.
Hull traverse is not directly related to acceleration.
T-72AV doesn’t have anywhere near the potential to reach 60kph as the 2A4 does to reach 68kph.
Also a massive amount more empty space or redundant areas.
Most of my games I get to utilize 4 crew reload for the majority of my life. Change your playstyle.
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Ah yes use flat city terrain effectively, well said.
engine power-acceleration yes
Not really, the “empty space” is only the lower hull part under the turret, and if youre not shooting the left side UFP of a head-on leopard 2A4 all I can say is skill issue
My man on any game there’s a 50/50 chance of catching a dart from any angle within the first 5 minutes. Unless youre playing bushkemp on the edges of a map you have a high probability of facing something that will remove crew from your tank.
Again, when that crew is removed by some ZTZ-96A(P) holding W and playing a point and click adventure game on tanks, its removed the reload advantage. Why do you think people want the few NATO tanks that have auto-loaders, because they don’t ever have to worry about being down crew or even having injured crew, because that also affects reload and you cant heal injured crew currently.
what did you smoke lol, the T72AV is way more survivable, the era makes them survive way to much stuff
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As other dude said to you, 2A4 has major advantages over TURMS and similar vehicles, so 2A4 getting DM33 and staying at 10.3 would literally break that BR.
Also, DM33 would completely nullify one of the only advantages of tanks like TURMS, 80B, etc. which is their armor.
Massive benefit but a massive disadvantage at the same time.
You can lose two crew in your 2A4 and still keep playing, meanwhile if the same thing happens in your TURMS you are dead, and at that point your reload speed doesn’t matter at all.
TURMS beats 2A4 only in thermals, round and armor section, everything else is pretty similar or in favor of 2A4.
The other benefit of the T72AV ,is the possibility of an actual ducking line up. 2S38, Bmp 2m and Su 25k all on the same br. The next best german thing is way power in br.
Thats a massive benefit of the turms you shouldbt ignore
Survivable in this case means post penetration.
No? Leopard 2K is just massively undertiered at the moment. It should literally just be 10.3 with the Leo2A4.
Just because of so many 1-death-quit “players” use L2A4 pz123 to grind
Nothing related to performance,just server match issue
BTW,On WT data website tier10.3-11.3,The win rate of GER has reached 55%+
And L2A4 has dominate power when its facing lower tier,in my opinion basically it has the most balanced performance in firepower-mobility-protection at this tier
one question. Its nothing rethorical i dont want to argue etc. How does the ariete p play and how is the dm 33 for the battle rating. Im just curious and want to know how good the round is for the battle rating. Im happy with the dm 23 and i do have a good kd. I just would like to know if the dm 33 makes such a difference for it to be placed in 11.0. I thought 10.7 would be the highest. When it comes to my opinion i would like to see the leopard staying where it is. Gaijin should focus on the addition of new tanks in this br bracket.
I also think the Leo 2A4 should get the DM33 at 10.3 because T64B at 9.7 has 3BM42 with 457 mm Pen … Germany get the first better round at 11.3 with the DM33 and 481 mm Pen.
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It does, considering there are tanks that rely on their armor for the most part to survive and DM33 is able to lolpen most armor-intensive tanks at around that BR, practically negating it.
Ariete has DM33 since it is paper thin, has ammo in the hull at all times and has worse optics and mobility than 2A4, which is in my opinion more than enough to justify the round difference.
M60 AMBT has KE-W at 10.0, so using your logic 2A4 should get DM43 at the very least lmao.
Stuff like T-64B have better rounds because they lack in many other factors you’re somehow forgetting to mention.
Good thing people like you have no say in the balancing, because suggestions like those would turn this game into a even bigger dumpster fire than it already is.
unfortunately I have very little knowledge on the ariete but I have heard not very many good things. DM33 for the 120mm is incredibly good at 10.3 though.
is the dm 33 so much better than the dm 23? I mean 11.0 is quite a lot. think about american tanks at that rating having high pen rounds.
It’s better enough to start ignoring armor on most armor-intensive tanks at that BR, so yeah, the difference would be pretty substantial.
I don’t agree with M1A1 staying at 11.0 either.
Top tier arietes are bad yes, but the P kinda just looks at any tank and that tank either 1, explodes, 2, dies
If you are killed which is likely, there are the 2 best cas at 10.3 to fiddle with, or the hungarian leo to mop up the rest
what are the 2 best, AMX and what?
A129CBT, bring a magnifying glass and its the best cas in 10.3
Yea 10.3 is not fun atm, all you’re fighting is ZTZ-99, T-80U, TKX P, T-90, T-72B3, M1A1 etc.
it doable but you have to be quite good for it to work. Either BR decompresseion or further leo 2a4s with better rounds and better protection or some prototypes/exports in the leopard 2k line. I mean this line is predestined to have exoports such as the leopard 2sg, the canadian one or just prototypes such as the 2a6ex, 2a4 evo/revolution or the atd. I think this line should be filled. Or even 11.0 light tanks would be nice for instance the boxer 120mm tracked and wheeled versions, the wiesel mells, the marder 2, the marder mbt. These should be additions which are not top tier but slightly below it. Imo gaijin shouldnt add new top tiers and rather focus on filling rank 7 and then continue in rank 8. And a br decompression would be appreciated.