What? Dm 33 would never put the leo 2a4 in 11.0. The dm 33 is comparable with other 10.3 rounds. By this logic the mbt 2000 which sits at 10.7 with a round that can pen 560mm should be at 11.7. The dm 33 would be putting the leo 2a4 at 10.7 at highest. but with the mbt 2000 i believe the dm 43 could be added and the leo 2a4 could still sit at 10.7. Imo the leo 2a5 should be getting the dm 43 instead of the dm 53 and put down in br. then you could put it at 11.0 or 11.3 (preferably 11.0 together with the 2pl). this would solve the problem of the creator of this post ig. But also gaijin could add further uparmored variants of the 2a4 like the 2a4 evo, of the hellenic 2a4 or even later production 2a4s with better rounds.
Like what
10.7 isn’t 10.3 but also I haven’t inspected any of these chinese MBTs yet but I suspect a lot (especially the 2000) are undertiered.
No. Full send german bias mindset. 2A4 is already debatably the strongest 10.3.
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i think the german 2a4 with dm 43 should sit at the same br as the mbt 2000. thats my point. But tbh i like it better at 10.3. The dm 33 would be the best but only slightly when only comparing the pen values. T80b with 3bm42 (457mm) the vickers with l26 (471mm) , the ztz96a with i 125 (466mm), arriete (p) which has the dm 33 at 10.3 (481mm) . i mean the dm 33 given to the germans would be not that unfair as people think. I mean im happy with dm 23. But i really would like to see the dm 33 for german 2a4s. But seeing american tanks having 372mm as best dart i think this should be the main focus.
Ok so both 11.0
2a4 is already cracked at 10.3, no reason to buff. If it gets DM33 it should be 11.0. That would be fair and fitting.
the tanks you mentioned all have reasons for the ammo they have and the 2a4 has reasons to have the ammo it has
It doesn’t even really matter what kind of combo (new tank 10.7 or modify existing Leo2A4 to fit 10.7 or 11.0 by giving it better ammo or armor etc) they come up with. The issue to tackle is the gap in the tech tree. The gap is what makes crappy battles. If one team has no top nor mid tier tanks at all the battle is not fair. It becomes just a shooting range for a team of far superior tanks vs. a team with far lesser tanks.
Leo2A4 as of today is surely ok to battle against whatever other nations have 10.3. That is not the issue. 15x Leo2A4 10.3 vs. 15x T-72B3 11.3 is the issue.
Germany should not be in 11.3 battles as they got no such tanks!
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with dm 33 never at 11.0 but 10.7. with dm 43 i can agree on 11.0. But if you read my comment im still happy how the german 2a4s perform. imo there should be more tanks added in 11.0 and 10.7. Again same treatment as chinese 10.7.
You can’t have that scenario in the game.
at this point im begining to belive its another jumbo problem for german players also not even dm43 would change that much against the T72B3
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Here’s the battle I just had 1min ago, waiting for crew lock.
11.3. We got 1x Leo2 PL. That’s it. The rest of the army is just 10.3 leos as one would expect.
Tkx 10(p) is 11.0
Challenger 2 OES is 11.3
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Guess what, all of those tanks have crippling issues that 2A4 simply doesn’t have and giving them better rounds is a way to balance things out.
You literally want to ruin this and have 2A4 with DM33 at 10.3 lol.
Exactly.
So we are in a 11.3 battle and we got 3/16 players that have tanks higher than 10.3. 13/16 players have only 10.3 tanks.
Sounds good?
People don’t have to spawn their highest BR tank first.
Maybe they have a 11.3 helicopter or a plane, but this is a problem of the matchmaker and Germany surely isn’t the only one suffering from it.
Also, where’s the proof that every single player on the enemy team has a 11.3 vehicle ?
Only 4 people at maximum can be “top tier” in a game, others are always below.
Yes.
So let’s say we got 4x 11.3 german players. So we got 4x Leo 2 PL in our team. What other top tier tanks do we have? 11.3? None? 11.0? None. 10.7? None. Just 10.3 leos.
Just in compairson, enemy has 4x 11.3 russian players. They each have 1x T-72B3 11.3, 1x T-80U 11.3, 1x T-80UK 11.3, 1x T-90A 10.7, 1x T-80UM 11.0. That’s 5x 4 = 20x 11.3 tanks in the battle.
We got 4x 11.3 in total. And we got no 11.0 and no 10.7. 4x Leo 2 PL and rest is 10.3 Leos with dm23.
I must say I do not know how many 11.0 players there are on a 11.3 match. For germany that is 100% clear zero as there are no such tanks. But would not be surprised if russians had the 4x 11.3 players and in addition more players with 11.0 top. They are all also much higher in BR than 13/16 of the german team.
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Looking at the M1A1 with 5 sec reload, better armor and 600mm pen I’d say no
I get it. I was just proving that people tend to overstimate the dm 33. dm 23 i perfectly fine for 10.3 but germany keeps facing 11.0 and 11.3 therefore gaijin should improve the 2a4s round or they should add other tanks. I think a new 10.7 leo would be nice. in order to get 11.0 i think 2pl should be there. Why cant they take away the dm 53 from the 2a5, give it the dm 43 and place it at 11.0.
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dm33 is too good for how good of a tank 2a4 is to be at 10.7
I’d prefer they add a modernized 2a4 somewhere between 10.3 and 11.3
the game is just compressed at that BR but the abrams are closer to being undertiered than the 2a4 is to needing an ammo upgrade
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2a5 would be way too powerful for a 11.0 even with DM33 only