I honestly don’t want to believe it. DM them please lol
Sick. The verdict of one dude is for sure all the ample proof that we need. Do you even have German rank 8?
So you agree that helicopters are too strong?
Which makes it all the more questionable when a tech tree thats not performing well gets denied said reports.
Why exactly?
Precisely the proof you need that lineup matters. Look at the additions we got compared to the winrate changes.
Its not useless in the slightest, you just need some basic knowledge how statistics work and how to read them.
you are funny, you forgot you got your profile hidden didnt you
Its a lot of hot air statements from him, not even knowing what germany could possible get, right below you find me completly deconstructing him
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If the lineup is so bad how are worse tanks in minor nations outperforming the big 3?
It is because all is painting it the story you want to paint while ignoring all the data. Italy has been killing it where’s the nerfs to the crappiest top tier tank there?
What about the months Japan literally takes names? No armor literally a glass cannon with the worst spaa in game.
If you look at the whole picture all you see is people shifting around based on content or what they want to play none of that data screams “Germany suffers”
Germany’s lineup is fine and plenty of players playing it, even this cringe original forum guy posted has over 2k games on a single 2A7. Last month the 2A7V help top 4th most played tank with good K/S and bad win rate looks like its fine to me.
Blind nationalism does not mean Germany suffers in game
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Also I don’t but just playing BR 12 leopard is good and I get uptired. Overall, Germany doesn’t suffer but I’m always down for new content. Once I unlocked the 2A7 I’ll play it for a while and move on to british tree.
Yeah, it consists of the Leopard 2A7V and there are no backups.
Because you cant compare nations with 3%-5% playrate with majors that have 3,4 or 5 times as many games.
Even if that was true then why do you think do those people shift eh? Why are they not playing Germany?
Its not blind nationalism if you actually give reasons and have statistics backing you up.
Sick so ive been discussing the capability of German top tier with someone that doesnt even have a single Rank 8 German vehicle. 12.0 experience means nothing when the problematic BR is 13.0. How would you have an actual idea how good German 12.7/13.0 is if youve never touched it?
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Proving the point “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics” - Benjamin Disraeli
Refer to above for your answer.
Dude only plays Germany and touched some Russia. Go look for yourself 2k games on a single tank is fking bonkers.
It does, I am playing BR 12 which is worse performing on Sharstat than BR 12.7 for Germany and getting 60% winrate… where’s your next argument using sharkstat going to go to paint another picture?
Not proving the point at all. You just have to compare Germany to nations with similar playrates.
Ok? But youre talking to me rn, not him.
It doesnt. Again, how would someone that never played a single rank 8 german vehicle have a valid opinion on their quality in the current Meta?
You have a total of 101 games in your 12.0 Leopards. Thats about 0.00009% of the 1,122,210 games those 2 tanks played in June. So your stats are about as statistically insignificant as it gets.
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I’m playing at the worst BR for Germany where a downtier they are more likely to lose and uptier they are more likely to win. please explain to me how 12.7 is doing worse than 12 or 11.7 with your statistics these past couple of months? Or are you simply choosing data and deflecting for all to see?
101 games on tanks for an individual getting a 60% winrate a the worst BR for Germany vs the whole entire playerbase? Dang you really stretching these statistics aren’t you m8? How many pictures can you draw using different data points?
How does that change the fact that you havent played a single rank 8 german vehicle and therefore have 0 knowledge how good they actually are?
Because they arent the same BRs and play different matches? I really dont know what your point is supposed to be.
No? Im explaining to you how statistics work and im telling you that your 100 games are entirely insignificant compared to the games played in total.
Not understanding statistics is one thing. Talking high and mighty about a lineup that youve never even played is another. But doing both at the same time is just embarrassing.
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This is coping now, you brought sharkstat got proven wrong and now it’s changing the goal post for “you don’t have rank 8 you don’t know” sooooo then this guy can’t talk on any other nation because he only has 2 nations at rank 8? what about you? this is your own logic and worst attempt at proving a point.
That’s just NOT true. You do know BR 12 gets uptiered to BR 13? Meaning I can go up against Sepv3 in a BR 12 leo and do well vs having the 2A7 which is miles better. This is just flawed, BR 12 I get worse chances of winning. Uptier i am more likely to win at 12.7 and downtier… I’m more likely to lose? This is your own sharkstat logic working against you.
you’re not explaining anything infact I don’t even think you know what you’re talking about now. I am down for all new content but Germany does not suffer especially with these good leos they have. Overall, this is just condescending right now and getting nowhere.
There is no need for a 2A8 and they won’t add it anytime soon.
The 2A7A1 was passed to devs. That is what’s coming next patch or the one after and it is literally 100% guaranteed.
The armor rework they announced like 3 years ago would have helped much more than any new Leopard.
Suggestions have no relation at all, thats mostly community managed and the volunter mods pick what they pass at times. It being passed does not mean anything,
You know how long ago my Wiesel Mells got passed?
Or the challenger 130 for germany?
What? I mean yes 2A5 and 2A6 are falling behind because of the horrible optics and comparatively long reload for their other features but the 2PL is still pretty good and the PSO can at least sometimes survive the random ATGM or HE shell.
They do match suspiciously often for not being related at all though :)
eh, not realy.
2a8 is more likely, alone cause of the lazy for sweden and germany addition and in the future reuse for france
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I’m placing my bet on 2A7A1 and Strv 123.
They are very very very reluctant on giving Germany more Leos with hull armor for some reason so that also points to the 2A7A1 imo.
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Realisticaly, the strv123 has been shown of 22.06. Thats by far not enough time for its modelling
2a8 is 19.11.2025. which is a nice half a year to a year to work on.
Strv123 is just way to few time.
2a7a1 and Strv123a are unique models that will not be useable anywhere else.
2a8 is minor changes, it will save them good bit of development
Yet it was passed after just a month of being suggested.
They can take the existing model and change some details, not the first time they would do that at the expense of some historical accuracy. (see R400 turret)
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