Germany Has Been Left Behind – Leopard Armor, Missing 2A8 and the Decline of German Players

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@__Renzo__

Gotta let your true German main out every now and then I guess.

And don’t go deny it, it’s obvious in so many more ways than one. Can get the main out of the nation, but can’t get the nation out of the main.

Oh there i did.
I do get annoyed when people cant even explain why the 2a8 would be next lvl and leapfrog over all other tanks.
Because lets face it, thats not the case.

And say that even france shouldnt get any option with the embt 2022

@__Renzo__

It would only be 2 nations since as our German mains friends have pointed out, our 2A8NLs aren’t being delivered until next year.

I would take that mpre as a general statement, not necesarily restricted to 2a8s.

That being said it doesnt help that frances current only option, goes to germany as well.
Embt2022.

Someone would need to correct me.
But currently only japan and italy would be left out of aps tankd, with them having bo immediate option on hand and only being in development.

[AspectOfTheRAGE]

Bro where do you get your numbers from
All the data I used for these are directly from Rheinmetall Waffe Munition (RWM) and/or Rheinmetall Nitrochemie

DM 73 is quite literally the same penetrator as DM 53 (and 63) but with the high-pressure SCDB propellant.

As such, for penetration calculation in L/O, the only thing that differs to DM 53 is muzzle-velocity, which is 30m/s higher compared to DM 53.

The odds of gaijin re-doing their ballistic calculation (with adjusted residual velocity at x distance) are close to 0, especially given that there are virtually 0 figures on residual velocity at x ranges for DM 73 published yet.

DM 53 A1, DM 63 and DM 63 A1 have reduced muzzle velocity compared to DM 53 and DM 73 due to the use of the “low-pressure” SCDB propellant (Guns outside of L55A1 and L44A1 whenever that comes, cannot fire DM 73, due to the increased pressure)

The primary reason for using SCDB propellants despite the lower MV is their LOVA (low vulnurability ammunition) characteristics, lower muzzle-velocity delta (less difference in MV at y temperatures) and as such, improved accuracy.

See (for additional reference material):

When are we gonna get DM73 for leopards?

It’s literally DM 53 but different propellant, achieving 30m/s higher muzzle-velocity. -+ 10mm of penetration difference [{DFB11963-9417-4527-A743-19D4C12D494B}] 663mm Plate at 0°, 0m | 387.2mm Plate at 60°, 0m (774.4mm LOS) [{540C4076-783B-46CE-9927-715FE5885804}][{4CABBDBD-0518-49FE-889B-359C0C554A21}]

When are we gonna get DM73 for leopards?

Less temperature dependent (i.e. lower difference in Muzzle-Velocity, which increases hit probability due to having the ballistics-calculations eased) and lower dispersion due to lower pressure discrepancies. [{8CD3CC69-AE98-4348-9F21-C7F6C4F7BBA9}] [{26002527-F6FD-4D3C-978A-D7678195805B}] And most likely, just as DM 63, lower barrel-wear. Idk if I have a similar presentation for DM 73 but as you can see above, I have one for DM 63. Note: Muzzle-Velocity figures are for L/44, ref.: [{381…

[_DAMOCLES]

Yeah, id say the major nations are lacking identity–Germany, USA, and Russia have had their vehicles handed out more than I think they should have.

[Tsumibito42-psn]

The leopard shouldn’t have the same reload as the Abrams just because it has the same gun, the Abrams has a much better layout inside the tank for the process of loading ammo something that has been documented before, and while I’m sure its not modeled in game the Abrams should also to my knowledge be able to replenish ammo to its first stage ammo rack faster as well.