Germany air needs a premium 109

How about the Me 209, or Me 155? One was a (failed) 109 redesign, the other was a carrier adaptation based on a 109 G-1.

The former has a very similar engine cowling to the 190 Ds, with longer wings and inboard-retracting gear and taller rudder. Engine and armament differ based on which prototype you look at, V5 had a DB603G and 2x MG131 + 1x MK108, V6 had a Jumo 213A and 2x MG151/20 + 1x MK108.
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(this is the V5)

For the latter, modifications include new longer wings with two additional MG151s in the wing roots and inboard-retracting landing gear (similar to Fw190 or Zero), carrier hook, and catapult attachment points.

The Me 309 is also an option but that thing was pretty bad even when compared to early 109 Gs. So I don’t see a point in adding it.

The 109 Xs would also be pretty low tier, but they’re very interesting in their own right.

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Bf 109 V21 with a P&W Twin Wasp

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109 X proper with a 1600hp BMW 801A

the issue with both of these is that they had no armament mounted - so it would be akin to the Yak-141 if added.

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nice dude :)

E7 isnt all that good i must say.
Pretty much an E4.

Kreigsmarine carrier capable 109?

There were 7 T-1 with full naval equipment, followed by 43 T-2s that retained the long span wings and used from land bases in Norway due to the better takeoff and climb performance. Overall they were roughly equivalent to the E-4.

Or one of the earlier variants used to test the concept…

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The Me 309 was not bad, on the contrary I would say it was a few years ahead of its time, in 44/45 Germany could have used a Me 309 type heavy fighter.

Very nice proposals - i support them.

In contrast to the OP i do not really see the urgent need for a premium 109 as long as the 109s already in the game are artificially nerfed.

I mean if you are used to fly with MEC - the efforts to fiddle the whole match with oil and water coolers gets even more complicated if you are experienced enough to to prevent your engine from dying when using prop pitch adjustments.

You can easily use MEC on every Italian plane with the same engines without any issues - but somehow gaijin thinks that German pilots are smart enough to do this with the risk of “overreving” the engines. If i see combat reports / manuals of the usage of MW-50 or WEP in general - you can’t use this power in game that long or your engine is dead.

Same with weapons - the F-4 had 20 mm gun pods, where are they? Or the lightweight versions to cover Sturmgruppen? Or the G-1 to G-5? Or the G-6/AS?

I mean the F-2 (Galland modification) with 2 MG 131s replacing the 2 MG 17s would be a rather easy way to implement a unique event vehicle at rank 3 with a BR of 3.3 or 3.7 - just to counter the spam of undertiered P-51Cs across the lobbies:

Bf 109 F-2 Mg 131 Gallands modification

Seeing a Yak-3 coming at 4.0 whilst an actual adversary like the G-10 sits 5.7 is a joke…

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Which is the best Bf 109 per its BR placement.

Yeah. An already OP plane at 4.3 goes to 4.0 while the G10 and G14 (basically copy pasted G6) are one full BR step above the G6 xD

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True that.

Chosen in 1941 to replace the Bf 109 as the Luftwaffe’s standard front-line fighter, Messerschmitt’s innovative Me 309 embodied a wealth of hard-won experience from the Battle of Britain. Its sturdy tricycle undercarriage would make landings safer, its capacious wings could accommodate much heavier weaponry, its retractable radiator would make it aerodynamically clean, its pressure cabin would allow high-altitude operations and its ejection seat would help preserve the Luftwaffe’s most precious asset – its pilots.

All of this was made possible by a fuselage specifically tailored to accommodate Germany’s newest and most powerful fighter engines: Daimler-Benz’s DB 603 and Junkers’ Jumo 213. Production of up to 800 Me 309s a month had been planned by May 1942 – more than all other German fighter types combined. Yet the type’s advancement from prototype to full series production was reduced to a crawl, not by technical difficulties but by political in-fighting, deception and manipulation behind closed doors.

The Me 309 was set up to fail – doomed to join a lost generation of mid-war Luftwaffe combat aircraft alongside types such as Focke-Wulf’s Fw 190 C and Junkers’ Ju 288 – but why and by whom? Messerschmitt Me 309 Development & Politics, the first book ever written solely about this aircraft, sets out its full history – from its forerunners and commissioning to its eventual cancellation and sale to the Japanese military.

Using contemporary documents, authors Dan Sharp and Calum E. Douglas explain and explore the development and eventual failure of this fascinating ‘secret project’.

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You could also have posted my new suggestion on this forum.

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Sorry man, but i used an old bookmark. Corrected.

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For a prem bf-109:
Bf-109X aka Radial 109
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But technically the Bv-155 is a prem 109 no?

Heresy.

Oh yea? How about i make your Thunderbolt inline too.
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XP-47H with Chrysler IV-2220-11 engine, only 2 were converted.

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dear god.

I’d like simple solutions.

Like: Bf 109 F4 “Star of Africa” or similar ace planes.

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But then people will complain about them being “copy and paste” if they are introduced

Bf 109G5/AS - Basically a G6 except it has a pressurised cockpit and DB 605AS engine.

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Or a Bf 109G-5/U2 which is a Bf 109G-5 but with a GM-1 boost system (aka a nitrous oxide injection system).
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Come to think of it, we don’t have any 109s with a GM-1 boost system, so it would be a cool addition.

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