Germany 6.7-5.3 need more efficient SPAA

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First and foremost, the Zerstörer 45 is not suitable as the main anti-aircraft vehicle in the 6.0-6.7 battle rating range. It lacks sufficient protection, and its open-top design exposes the crew, making them highly vulnerable to enemy fire.

Additionally, the Zerstörer 45 is easily destroyed by high-explosive rockets such as the RP-3, Tiny Tim, or even the HVAR, either through explosive fragments or overpressure. While its quad-mounted 30mm MK103 cannons have an extremely high rate of fire, each ammo belt only holds 30 rounds, leading to a short sustained fire time and making it difficult to quickly eliminate multiple enemy aircraft.

Similarly, the Ostwind-2, despite being a skilled vehicle, also struggles in the 6.7 battle rating environment. Its turret and elevation mechanisms have relatively slow traverse speeds, making it difficult to track fast-moving aircraft, such as diving propeller planes and early jet fighters.

Moreover, its dual-mounted 37mm anti-aircraft cannons fire alternately, resulting in a rate of fire that only barely meets the firepower threshold for 6.x battle rating anti-aircraft vehicles.

When compared to other nations, such as the Soviet Union, Britain, France, Japan, and China, Germany’s anti-air capabilities in the 6.x battle rating range are noticeably weaker.

Take the Soviet M53/59 as an example. It outperforms the Dongfeng-2 in several areas. Its turret traverse speed is significantly faster (Horizontal: 40°/s vs. 35°/s, Vertical: 35°/s vs. 20°/s), and it is equipped with more advanced Cold War-era autocannons. The ZK453 cannons surpass the Dongfeng-2’s Flak44 in terms of range, rate of fire, and muzzle velocity. Furthermore, the M53/59’s exceptional anti-air efficiency allows it to effectively minimize downtime during reloading. Additionally, the M53/59 features full armor-piercing belts with a penetration of 91mm at 0° and 0m, far exceeding the penetration capabilities of German anti-aircraft cannons. Given that all German anti-aircraft guns have been nerfed, this imbalance is even more pronounced.

Similarly, the French TPK 6.41 is essentially an upgraded version of the M53/59 in terms of anti-air capability. Other nations also have highly efficient anti-aircraft vehicles, such as the BTR-ZD, Bosvark, SUB-I-II, ZSD63/PG87, ZSL92, Leopard 40/70, and AMX-10P.

Furthermore, within the current 5.x-7.x battle rating range, Germany is the nation most severely affected by CAS (Close Air Support). Not only does it lack high-efficiency anti-aircraft vehicles, but it also suffers from a shortage of powerful air superiority fighters in this BR range—an issue that will be discussed in detail later.

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Every 6.0 spaa is vulnerable to rockets or he shells lmao that’s why u stay in spawn with it

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SPAA in that br range is pretty useless, the other day I have had three SPAA sitting at spawn along with me driving out of the spawn in my heavy tank, them CAS still managed to drop bombs on us and killed me and 2/3 SPAA shooting at the CAS, not saying if I were playing those SPAAss they are using I would do any better because they just sucks to play with their poor turret turning rate especially those that has long reload time between shots. Most players can only hit planes that dive nose down on them and rarely manage to hit anything that doesn’t fly straight, sometimes 3 minutes in you see 6 enemy planes on sky it feels pretty hopeless unless you also jump into a spitfire or yak, at this point your tank just get strafe and repair engine or tracks until someone decided to shoot these aerial pesk down or don’t bother play any ground vehicles at all. Only at 7.3 we have something actually decent like Shilka works pretty good against Me 262 with nose cannon which is one of the most spammed CAS in that br range.

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Bro,I know what I say, and I don’t need u tell me how to play SPAA

Ostwind 2 and Zerstorer are basically as good as SPAA gets around this BR on par with BTR-ZD and TPK. There are other nations in much more dire need of proper SPAAs.

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This is just skill issue on SPAA’s side. SPAA around this BR is very good, but unlike higher BR AAs with stupidly high fire rate on multiple guns without the need to reload like Shilka, with radar and fairly good tracking like Gepard or with proxy fuse shells like York or WZ305 it requires some skill to use which majority of players don’t posess

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No, only germany & USA don’t have efficient SPAA in this BR range, however, US air force is best in this BR range

japan doesn’t have any SPAA in this BR range for example. SUB I II is fairly decent, but isn’t even close to zerstorer or Ostwind 2. Israel is also forced to use a 4.3 TCM-20 which is just bad. Sweden also has no AAs in this BR range and is forced to use 5.3 USH which is just bad.

Literally 4/10 nations in this game don’t even have ANY spaa in this BR range, let alone a proper one and you complain about the nation which just so happens to have 2nd best SPAA tree (if we exclude top tier) in the entire game, only beaten by USSR

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I rarely use SPAA for anti air purposes because for me SPAA gameplay is just stupidly boring. I only every spawn in them if i have no spawn points for anything else and run around the field trying to kill tanks/cap points to get more spawn points for anything else, you can see that by the number of ground kills which is on par with if not higher than number of air kills.

I don’t need to be a hardcore SPAA main to realize that calculating lead yourself or setting up a trap for a plane requires much more skill than aiming at a circle or just spraying anything within the close proximity of the enmy plane’s path.

And i don’t want to be lectured on that by the person why doesn’t even have 50 battles played on a single Rank IV SPAA, if i according to you know nothing about those AAs, you know even less than nothing

U are right, but rh202 is good enough in this br, and germany don’t have dm63 rh202 until 7.3.

Frech, British, even Italian and china have efficient SPAA in this BR(they didn’t have major tank to line up in 6.7)

Rh202 is pretty decent, but it’s less effective than 4x Mk103 and 2x german 37. Wiesel is only at 7.3 because it has lrf and thermals, without that it would be 5.0 at best.

German AA is harder to use than AAs of other nations because of their slower shells, but landing even a single proper hit usually kicks the enemy plane out of the game. It is harder to aim them, but they are very good nevertheless.

lol but you claimed they are “very good” which is obviously not true that’s why I have to see the number to figure out why you think that way, which your claims is something out of the norm. They are hard enough use which requires the player being hardcore enough to do well in, the CAS problem further proves that the SPAAs in that respective br don’t pose a threat for pilots of average skill set. I would say I believe it if you have at least 1.0 but that’s only a bare minimum because one plane kill per match means it cannot handle more than one plane on average.

I would believe it if someone claims the following SPAA are very good:


When a topic mentioning SPAA performance, I believe they meant the AA ability not AT.

SPAAs you mentioned are not very good, they are known to be blatantly under BRed. Both York with proxy fuse and PGZ with ahead are just point and click.

All vehicles in this game are balanced around performance. It does cause some problems with less popular vehicles being overtiered or stupidly popular ones being undertiered sicne stats are dragged up or down by respective parts of playerbase who use them. Yet i don’t think that Ostwind 2 or Zerstorer are very niche vehicles (quite the contrary, they are extremely popular, especially Ostwind) which means that even the most average war thunder player you can imagine performs well enough in them to justify their BR.

Low BR SPAAs aren’t meant to be used by sitting on the spawn and thoughtlessly clicking at enemy planes.

We can’t expect every teammates have pro skill on SPAA, They need a SPAA that could easily to hit air(easier than ostwind2 at 6.7 environment), even those hits only make hits

Because despite getting 3-4 kills per match with York or PGZ on average, we are still seeing planes and sometimes teammates still getting killed by them, I’m the same like you, completely uninterested in playing these boring ass SPAAs lol I don’t even want to use them, who wanna sit at spawn which is the only secure area to not get popped by enemy tanks and spend the entire match to look at the sky right? I only bring it out as nothing more than an act of vengeance once I get killed by them, if they are trash AAs like the ones we have at 6.0 then I most likely won’t bother. We still have CAS problem at a br where SPAA are the strongest, imagine what its like in a br when SPAAs are the weakest lol

Yeah, you can’t expect that. But you can’t balance it around bad players either, because good players will shred absolutely everything in them.

I just so happen to play the most at those BRs with as you call it trash AAs and i don’t see too big of a problem with CAS. Sure i will get a bomb dropped on my head from time to time, but it isn’t anything too crazy.

CAS at lower BRs was never even close to being as dominant as it is on high BRs so even with much harder to use AAs (although still good) it isn’t as big of a deal

You are actually a good tank player that excels in most things you had played, even a good player like yourself is struggle using the said SPAAs obviously those SPAAs ain’t good.

6.7 is so CAS-infested that I am even willing to pay money to hire pest control or opt out of that gamemode that involves flying objects, so I can continue to enjoy the gameplay of ground vehicles, I’ll show you some photos that I compiled in the past because I am too demotivated to play anymore matches, it shows my average day of playing “Ground Battle”

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It’s no doubt that, Pro should easily to kill all dumb air. And that is what BTR-ZD、Bosvark、SUB-I-II、ZSD63/PG87、ZSL92、Leopard 40/70 and AMX-10P are doing, they even don’t need pro skill

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