Franz Stigler would be great and also his Weiß Zwölf Bf 109 F4 Trop skin is officially in game Gaijin Market
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Franz Stigler would be good, along with the F-104 pilot, Jürgen Gundling. Here’s an article if you want to read about him.
There could also be one for a German ship/submarine captain/crewman, particularly if they did something admirable (although I can’t think of any off the top of my head).
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I purposely didn’t make any conclusions but merely stated that the media of does not fall in line with the public’s nationalistic sentiments unless it’s the USA.
Any form of fascism is seen as racism and the media are especially fearful of any kind of nationalistic displays especially form old Axis countries. Germany’s recent far right gains were even likened to Hitler of the 30s in the media.
Easy to see then why Gaijin wish to distance themselves from this kind of sensationalism.
That was the only point I made on what is a repeat thread.
I’d prefer that in all honesty… I really don’t want to do any unnecessary pandering to Gaijin. Also, if they ever add a Simo icon, holy hell Im grinding that one out ASAP…
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Captain of U 156 during the Laconia Incident comes to mind as a good example. It’s a genuinely infuriating story, really.
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Here, almost all or even all of the war criminals who fought on the side of the 3rd Reich, not to mention the service of some in the CC. Bruh, their names must be forgotten…
Don’t forget that some were brought back after the war to help rebuild the German military under ally supervision after being vetted that they would not bring back the ideologies.
So a definition of a good WW2 German is somebody who makes the grade for a Pages of history champion is :
- Didn’t have a love for their own country and it’s people above all others.
- Didn’t swear allegiance to that country’s regime and democratically elected leader.
- Did not follow orders given to them by superior officers regardless of how abhorrent or disagreeable they may have been.
- Were people who attempted to kill their own leadership when things took a turn for the worse.
And what may I ask is the definition then of a brave American or Russia Hero,That we can feature one side and not the other?
“I can now only prove by my death that the fighting services of the Third Reich are ready to die for the honour of the flag. I alone bear the responsibility for scuttling the panzerschiff Admiral Graf Spee” . I am happy to pay with my life for any possible reflection on the honour of the flag. I shall face my fate with firm faith in the cause and the future of the nation and of my Führer"
So I ask you ,is this an honourable fighting man or not? Is this man a true servant to his country? If not why not?
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Corvette Captain Werner Hartenstein (U 156)
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There are a small number of people who look at this issue is a one-size-fit, we should be specific and specific analysis, clearly there are outstanding soldiers and good people who are not party members, but they pretend not to see, blindly negative. In short, the decision is gaijin’s
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The notion of using post war Germans is interesting and it may be why the thread was left open.We can respect Gaijin previous statements but they have also said nothing is set in stone.
Yes, all we can do is continue to discuss and wait
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I’ve shadowed 90% of these thread types & it’s interesting to see this post locked yet reopened, I wonder if maybe the devs are thinking about it for once (or just a mod at that).
For the most part on axis personal I’m not one for majority second world war figures although I known a few but I’d rather see Great War figures.
Bleedinguranium already knows my thoughts on these as we’ve discussed this before & I’d too like some of their suggestions.
I would be excited if I could get a PFP of say Maximilian von Spee, Commanding officer of the German East Asiatic Squadron or even Karl von Müller captain of the cruiser SMS Emden a ship also originally part of spees squadron.
And for a WWII figure (well for this case as they served many of the German navies) Bernhard Rogge captain of the Auxiliary Merchant Cruiser Atlantis HSK-2 (fun fact this ship is in game as the SS Goldenfels, the German merchant ship).
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It’s a very contentious subject.How many Western heroes do we have who are far from the perfect ideal? What about General George Patton ? We have him for sure on the pages of history yet you can hear his opinions on things in this video and look at some of his actions and intentions.
It may come as a surprise to many.It seems there is hardly anybody who does not have some form of controversy if you dig deep enough.
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Takaoka Susumu would be interesting. He was a test pilot who was the first to accomplish three important things in Japan.
- He was the first to fly a Japanese jet plane (Kikka plane)
- He was the first to crash a Japanese jet plane (Kikka plane)
- He was the first to fly a 100% Japanese jet plane after the war (Fuji T-1 plane)
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What did he do?
Hartenstein was proof that humanity did not necessarily fall by the wayside in an inhumane war.
His most spectacular action was the attack on the 19,695 GRT British troopship Laconia off West Africa on 12 September 1942. The ship was carrying around 2741 people at the time, including 1809 Italian prisoners of war. The sinking of the ship was followed by a dramatic rescue operation in which U 506 and U 507 were also involved. Hartenstein’s boat had numerous lifeboats with castaways in tow and others on board when it was bombed and badly damaged by American fighter planes on 16 September 1942. Although the boat had clearly visible Red Cross flags on board during the rescue operation, this did not constitute protection in the sense of the Hague Conventions. These stipulated that hospital ships had to be made known to the enemy and painted white with a red cross; beyond that, they could not be used for any other purpose. Nevertheless, the American reaction was characterised by great severity, whereby the proximity of the strategically important Ascension base may have played a role, as did the assumption that Hartenstein was primarily concerned with the recovery of Italian prisoners of war. Several castaways from the troop transport were killed by the bombardment.
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Japan, huh?
One of the ones I was thinking of (during WW2 though so keep that in mind) was Warrant Officer Sakio Komatsu. He had just taken off from the carrier IJN Taihou and noticed torpedo wakes headed for the ship so he broke formation and dove directly into one of the torpedoes causing it to detonate prematurely.
Unfortunately, despite this heroic action, the ship would still be hit by one torpedo which caused an hours-long chain reaction of bad events that led to the carrier exploding.
Excerpt from an article about the ship.
I can’t find a picture of Saiko Komatsu himself, though, only this painting interpretation of the event. I don’t think there are many records of him. So a picture would need to be found first.
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