German Helicopter Tech Tree - Current and Future Discussion Thread

U might be misunderstanding sth wrong here.
The UHT isnt bad. On the contrary it is realy strong and deserves 11.7
The problem is its very depending on the map.
The pars 3 easily lose lock, so it does best on open map types like deserts. Artica plains.
Its does very bad in cities and forests.
If you use it right the UHT is a monster.
And propably better then the Apache in those cases.
You propably arenr using it right in that case

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Even though I just “argued” with Shini about the UHT and how to deal with it.

He is absolutely right.

Firstly, IRIS T currently has no place in the game. The missile’s capabilities are absurd and the ATAS can handle it against jets.
I’ve certainly shot down more jets with the ATAS than these have shot down me.

Secondly, he described the PARS well. In 8 out of 10 maps the Tiger is almost useless. I still play it there again and again with moderate success.

The second mode of PARS would be needed here. Namely the SACLOS mode, which the PARS also has.
That could certainly be implemented.

It can be good on open maps if you’re lucky with the damage the PARS deals. Here the two counters come into play again. Even open maps have little space to hide from jets and pantsirs.

On some open maps, a well-placed Pantsir shoots at the helipads…

The fact is: If the Tiger does not encounter Pantsirs, VT-1 or similar SAMS, it is too strong. Roland’s are not enough.

So he has to stay at 11.7. 11.3 would still be possible, but this would often mean you’re fully uptiered due to the many 10.3 lineups.

Overall, my KD is positive and I usually get the SP in because I also use it to shoot down other helicopters and jets.
So he is not useless.
The PARS, on the other hand, are frustrating. They are a game of chance that you have no control over.

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What do you guys think?

Refined, Updated Germany Helicopters Tech Tree

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yeah i considered those BRs but keeping in mind the new spikes on the KF-41 and the other helicopters, this felt like the best BR for the two, ill correct the name tho lol
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the BRs need to be switched around lol, ill do that 😅

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What’s the difference between the UHT and the KHT? I thought it was just a name change?

You are correct, he included the correct name into his tree.
The real uht lacks some armor and would be without pars 3 i thunk

i mainly intended the UHT to be the version up to 2013 and any upgrades that took place after '13 to be made into a new vehicle called the KHT (i think the extra pars launcher was made after '13?)

Asgard was started in 2011 and ended 2014 iirc

Wouldn’t it be better to have it as a researchable module? I don’t really wanna grind a top-tier heli just to basically pull a BMP 1p

The kht is the one we have in game.

He wants to add an earlier version with less ordinance to use at lower brs

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like what xShini said, i want the HOT-3 at a lower BR with the thermals and the mast mounted sight and the rockets + computer so we can actually have a viable chopper at around 10.0-11.0

also i heard the tiger is getting its hmd?

It has since yesterday on the Dev

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And cant use it with anything

Exactly xD

Purchasing American-made AH-64E Apache or AH-1Z viper rather developing Utility helis like Ec365 maybe a good idea for the Bundswehr facing possible crisis in the future, a new round conflict between NATO and Russian so that we could have more choices in WT.

how much did the american government pay you?

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There’s no need for Mi 24D and other useless choppers they just have to add another Tiger ec 665 chopper with chin mounted 30mm cannon along with same PARs 3 Missiles with a little upgrade in pars 3 quantity up to 12 or 16.
If new choppers they want to add than i would love Apache series in German tree. If its KA 52 than it would be awesome.
+ they have to do little upgrade for attack choppers as strong ircm or tracking defence against anti air so they really can give a close ground support and can survive for some time.

Would love to see SOMETHING fill the gap between 9.3-11.7.
Looking through the Swedish tree, there really isn’t anything they could add.
The NH90, we probably won’t have details around their new BLOCK 1 and 2 upgrades for awhile. (as of now they would be useless with no weapons)
In-Use German helicopters focus on Naval, but since there’s 0 use case for that, it wouldn’t make sense.
I guess you could implement a craft, like the Sea King, and give it the Sea Skuas, but idk if that would work.