The german F-4F its nearly unplayable at 11.0 with only 10G Rear-aspect missiles.
Im stock grinding this vehicle and its a pain in the ass, all im facing is all-aspect missiles everywhere and better ones, R-60s, AAM-1s , AIM-7Fs, Magic 2, etc.
Meanwhile the maximum missile we are allowed to use is AIM-9J, rear aspect, 20Gs.
Since im stock i just have x2 AIM-9Es and its very unlikely to kill something at that br, they will eat any flare. Can’t play and can’t anything against players.
If i go on their back they will flare my 2 missiles,
if i go head-on to try kill it with cannons, all-aspect missile to my face,
if i go for a dogfight with cannons (very unlikely scenario) a random all aspect missile will come to my face again.
The only things im available to do is fly outside center map, then alight with enemy ground units and destroy em with cannons (very low reward, so it becames a long and boring process to grind) and try to unlock bombs to do base bombing, and having to take a so passive gameplay on this thing sucks.
if i want to play like that i would play any WW2 bomber.
it has little difference compared to the 10.7 F-4F Early, same weapon loadouts, same missiles, but i guess what makes it 11.0 are those flares and i guess it gets a better engine and radar or something like that.
Still dont get why the german F-4F doesnt get the weapons it is supposed to carry, for what i see on internet it was capable of carrying AIM-9Ls and AIM-7s too.
With AIm-9Ls it would move to at least 11.7 based upon the Tornado’s being at 11.7 with 2x Aim-9Ls, an F-4 with 4-6 9Ls? would be equal or greater BR (could even be 12.0 alongside the Kuranass 2000)
If F-4F is gonna stay like this on 11.0 hell nah i would prefer it going 11.7 while using the weapons it carried IRL. right now it is a flying free meal.
its just Gaijin nerfing Germany for no reason.
They refuse to give German F-4F the weapons it used IRL. (maybe i could understand it time back, but since BRs and Decompression changed a lot of things on these years, maybe its time to give F-4Fs the proper loadout)
They did the same with the Tornados, they are capable or carrying more than just x2 AIM-9Ls but nope.
And if they still refuse to give F-4F the proper loadout at least they should give us AIM-7Fs, something else to rely on. Not to mention it was also capable of carrying x6 AGM-65B like the American 11.3 Phantom II but we limited to just x2 AGMs again.
The F-4F is currently one of the best 11.0s in the game. It’s obviously superior to ALL 10.7s in the game as F-4Fs weapons and airframe are seen at 11.0 almost exclusively.
It does not need to be made 11.7 minimum with AIM-9Ls.
Also the F-4F has 20G rear aspect missiles, among the best rear-aspect missiles in the game, as good as R-60s and far better in flare resistance.
When in the stock grind, play it as a bomber.
Also AIM-9Js are a historical loadout, just not the one you allegedly prefer.
AIM-7F wiring was removed.
I think something like an “F-4F late” or "F-4F ice (early) would be ok to be foldered with the regular f4f at 11.3 with the 9Ls, it would be a way to not make the regular f-4f overtiered
it would probably sit near the same br as the Kurnass 2000, what many people agree is slightly overtiered. no clue where you’re thinking this would be good
i mean i still dont get why 9Ls would be that much of an issue, playing 11.0 with F-4F you still find R-60MKs and Magics 2 which arent they supposed to be equals to 9Ls?
R-60MK’s have garbage range and flare resistence compared to the 9L and iirc pull less.
Magic II’s are much better but the lowest br Magic II slinger is the Jag IS what should maybe be higher?!? (gaijin 100% forgot about the thing) plus it only gets two.
the F-4F with 6 AIM-9L’s would at minimum be at 11.7 if not 12.0 because the Kurnass 2000 is at 12.3 with Python 3’s and 200 extra CM
The kumass 2000 is overtiered for the sake of it being overtiered, the f-4f at 11.3 with 4 9Ls would be ok, 9Ls arent the “most op missile ever” and are a easy 1 flare (unless your an f4s since gaijin still refuses to give it its historical flare pods).
F-4F with 4 9Ls would be fine at like 11.3 with the other f-4Es, its not like the f-4f gets any radar weapons either, or a good pd radar or 200 CMs
I honestly wouldn’t mind if it got 9Ls and went to 11.7. It would be nice to not have 4 planes in the 10.7/11.0 range, and it would differentiate itself from the F-104G.
I haven’t bothered to crew it since I don’t want to do that stock grind. I already did it with the F-104, I’m not doing it again.
Stay aware, use flares. Mig-21s aren’t hard to deal with since you are faster, and R-60s are very easy to flare. The gun is one of the best, and you can use it easily. Just don’t get slow, and watch
kurnass 2k has 6 all aspect 40G missiles as compared to the F4F which might have at max 4 all aspect 30G missiles
oh and kurnass 2k has 260 countermeasures while F4F has 90
comparison
P3’s im my experience dont usually get all the way to the 40g but you are correct
idk if you cant read but i actually mentioned that and stated it wouldnt be at 12.3 (i am noticing i said it would sit at the same br, but i dont think it should, my bad on that part)
