General playtest of air-to-air missiles with ARH Seekers (FOX-3)

Today, we’d like to tell you about an important milestone that is approaching for War Thunder’s aircraft component — the game wide introduction of Active Radar Homing Missiles, otherwise known as FOX-3. Taking into account the characteristics of this type of weapon and its possible impact on the gameplay in air battles, we’d like to talk to you in detail about our approach to adding these highly advanced missiles into the game.

As more and more advanced aircraft and missiles have been introduced into the game, we were faced with various challenges in implementing them and the impact on gameplay they had. Starting with the first generation of basic guided missiles, to the first missiles capable of hitting maneuvering targets, to the first all-aspect missiles, and more recently the first super-maneuverable missiles. Each of these additions had the potential to drastically change gameplay in one way or another, and sometimes not always in the direction of more fun. Because of this, the introduction of each new missile generation was preceded by many game tests by several teams, including us, the developers, our QA team, the alpha test team and by players on the dev server. This has allowed us to verify the decisions taken for gameplay consideration, the scope of necessary improvements required and the impact on balance.

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Similar missiles can already be found in the game, but with features that don’t have much of a strong impact on the overall gameplay. Firstly, there’s only two aircraft that carry these missiles: the F-14A and B. Secondly, the intended purpose of the AIM-54 is primarily to combat anti-ship cruise missiles or aircraft such as heavy bombers instead of highly maneuverable targets. These types of missiles can and still do successfully hit fighters who may not see them incoming, normally because they’re flying straight. However it’s not too difficult to avoid these missiles with some maneuvering around, which is why they don’t have a massive impact on gameplay balance.

In comparison, new medium-range missiles such as the AIM-120, R-77, MICA EM and others are created and intended for use against maneuvering aircraft. Aircraft capable can carry up to 8-10 of these missiles each, which in game terms means the possibility to fire up to 100 missiles per side. Combining this with the radar capabilities of these missiles and their maneuvering characteristics at medium and close-range, this could drastically alter the current meta of the game and make it much more difficult and unforgiving when making even the slightest error.

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Having said this, going by our internal tests, air dueling situations between a small group of players in a battle using these types of missiles lead to some very interesting gameplay, with new tactical approaches being created. It’s also worth noting that these missiles don’t generally provide any new range parameters for hitting targets compared to the existing ones.

Based on the above, we’re planning to conduct mass general tests of this type of weapon and their aircraft within the current dev server period. This test will be held in the form of an event with a given set of aircraft and missiles — every player who has unlocked Rank VI aircraft on the live server will be able to take part.

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To participate in this event, you’ll need to put an aircraft of Rank VI or higher from the following nations into a crew slot: USA, USSR, Great Britain, China, France and Israel. The nation selected when the mode starts will determine the aircraft available for testing in the event.

List of aircraft and missiles:

  • F-16C with AIM-120A missiles
  • MiG-29SMT with R-77 missiles
  • JAS39C with R-Darter missiles
  • J-8F with PL-12 missiles
  • Mirage 2000-5F with MICA-EM missiles
  • Barak II with DERBY missiles
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The introduction of these new missiles is currently planned for the second major update of this year, in which missiles with ARH seekers and their respective aircraft will be added to the game for all nations at once.

That’s today’s blog wrapped! We hope that you’ll participate and leave some feedback for us, so that together along with our analysis of statistical data, we’ll be able to find any problematic areas and outline possible ways to solve them.

More instruction how to join Dev Server and participate in test here

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SAAF gripen cant use Darter, only the Cheetah can, i believe one SAAF did get special modifications for it but that shouldnt count for the whole vehicle, if someone has other infor to this do let me know.

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I like this way of doing it where test on dev server are performed before live release. It’s a good way of getting valuable feedback from players before accidentally breaking the game.

I am however sad that i as a Swedish player wont be able to playtest this mechanic even though the JAS39C most likely will come to Sweden with ARH missiles in that update. why not add them to the JAS39A in dev and let Sweden test them as well?
@Stona_WT @Smin1080p

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Because you are swedish and gaijin doesnt like adding stuff to their air tree only ground. Sweden air is the least atractive air nation and i can find the only good vehicle on sweden on italy and Britain which are better for cas.

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But they will add the JAS39C that update though, its just the test part we cant do at the moment and that i’m hoping to change.

Gaijin wont do it so just accept it, i want them to but screw sweden air players.

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Bro has a hatred against Sweden.

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Or JAS39C Gripen from SAAF employed 5th gen IR AAM only ?

Didnt knownif saying Gaijin hates sweden players would get me in trouble with the mods lol. Check my other comments were i argued with Smin, gaijin shouldnt have given anyone else the grippen cause those nations will get tons of stuff and now sweden isnt unique in air and its a lackluster air tree.

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no japan fox-3? what time will get aam-4 in game

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All of the stats right now seems made up. For all missiles, stop crying. Why are all the people with this kind of Profile Pics always the hardest Chinese Copers?

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Find docs that are reliable and add suggest them then. But if you want all missiles to be balanced go work for gaijin.

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Nitpicking, but this is wrong.

“Fox-3” is brevity code for “i am firing an active radar air to air missile” it is not a word for the missile but a word for the action of firing it.

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Just saying, the grippen is known for carrying multiple nations different missiles which is why so many countries use it because they can use whatever arms they want on it so itd be better if gaijin just allowed most BVR missiles on it for the test event.

While the AAM-4A version doesn’t have the AESA seeker it is probably closer to a Aim-120C in performance so probably not yet…

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This event is great cause it just openly shows that if you wnated the gripen and wanted to prepare for how it works with BVR missiles you shouldve gone down the nagion that didnt create it.

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:(
with a missile they didn’t create either

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Could they have included the f15j with 120 + aam3

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Yeah…well the current F-15J can not use fox 3s…so Japan doesnt even have a fox 3 platform yet though for testing they could of…

Also, why are the amraams not on the outer pylons

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