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I’m not sure either.
It seems it was AN/APG-66 three years ago , and it has been M-247 TA for over 10 months now. However, I couldn’t find the changelog about it.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/YnLDHqUNcYSi
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vUBfJC4eyToc
Meanwhile, it has always been us_an_apg_66_m_247.blk internally at least since the beginning of the datamine.
Everything sounds very strange: AN/APG-66 as I know is for aircrafts and operates in a different frequency band, and I couldn’t find a radar named M-247. Maybe the devs just don’t have the correct designation for the radar?

As for the real-life Type 87, I couldn’t find any primary source about the development nor the radar of the Type 87. However, I found a website that claims that the search radar was developed domestically. If that’s the case, the radar is not the same as the one used on the M247 Sgt. York. The seb site cites some references, so it seems more reliable than many other web sites.

防衛庁技術研究本部（TRDI）は1976年度からL-90を車載化した自走高射機関砲の所内研究に着手し、続いて1978年度から自走高射機関砲の研究試作が開始された。
この車両は陸上自衛隊の第1世代MBTである61式戦車の車体をベースとし、L-90と同じ90口径35mm高射機関砲KDAを2門と、国内開発された捜索・追尾レーダーを含むFCSを全周旋回式砲塔に搭載していた。
完成した試作車を用いて各種試験が行われたが、捜索・追尾レーダーや射撃統制コンピューターを搭載した砲塔の重量が61式戦車の車体に対して過大で充分な機動力を発揮できないことが明らかになったため、続く開発試作ではベース車体を新型の74式戦車に変更することになった。
87式自走高射機関砲

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3372

I had them shot off in a match once and thought it looked a lot better too lol

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3373

Do you have any footage with more than 30 degree turret rotating?
I think you got something similar to me. I was bited to tens of footages when tank rotating turret and it looked faster than in game but after I took stopwatch and looked to the video again there always was 30 degree per second.
So probably it is just illusion because IRL turrets look more massive than in game

Only footage I know with faster than 30 degree is when Type 10 was rotating hull with speed ~35 degree per second and turret was stabilized what means it also had ~35 speed but it is only and it wasn’t turret rotating

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3374

Issue with the turret rotating speed is that Gaijin won’t even accept videos as proof as the videos could be sped up…

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3375

Here isn’t actual footage of Type 10 turret rotating speed exclude that one with hull rotating.
And tbh it is only proof that turret can rotate faster and here isn’t any other. Also questionable can turret rotate so fast in when it is controlled or it is limited to 30 degree because the meanings in document of “30 degree or more” can actually mean just 30 degree

3376

All I’m saying is, even if there were videos, it wouldn’t be enough for Gaijin.

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That will be the M247’s tracking radar if I remember it right.

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3378

Oh how I wish we got more camos from WT live. Gaijin doesn’t seem to grasp that some people would pay top dollar to have their machines look as close to real-life as possible.

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The Type 87 camo is especially beautiful.

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3379

Since you yourself are a suggestion mod, do you have any idea how long it takes for it to be accepted, when can we expect it to drop?

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To follow up on the Type 87 search radar - x-ray says it has 8 degrees vertical coverage but in game it shows 15 degrees.

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3381

I really hope they put the Type 01 LMAT on the ICV…

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It was mentioned again recently (a few months ago) in some Japanese MoD document. Looks like they’re still testing it

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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/9FM9Vkm5YHBg
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/mGoFLbvbXkFV

I am still waiting for these to be fixed

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3384

Those would be very welcome changes, but what I need the most is the missing UTDC on the IR missile.

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3385

Thanks, I didn’t know that the M247 had a modified AN/APG-66.

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3386

I only know this because it was the source of many of its issues. Ford thought they could save time and money by going with an existing radar.

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3387

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3388

Since Japan has Patriots, then I might ask here; how good will the Patriot be in game and how long can we expect to wait until it arrives?

3389

probably a bit of an overkill on maps where enemy planes spawn 20 kilometers away from the battlefield

3390

Depends which one exactly we talk about; there is PAC-2, PAC-2 GEM / GEM+, PAC-3 CRI, PAC-3 MSE…

Though, PAC-3 CRI is the probly “easiest to balance”, the Type 03 Kai may be a better option though.

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