What’s the vertical search angle now?
70 degree
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TKX’s dozer now weighs 2900kg, if we add the aps and rs6, we will get the 48t version 🤓☝️
Both missiles we have are the Type 81 (C) missile, just with lightwave and radar seeker respectively.
We don’t have any Type 81 / Type 81 (B) missiles yet that would have a weaker motor.
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Very nice.
Beacouse it can’t function without radar
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I don’t believe I’ve seen any photos of this tank without the 25mms yet, but the tilt of the guns tells me that it wasn’t attached very well.
In fact, the guns seem to be placed right on top of if not inside the engine bay, which is of course not acceptable for standard operation.
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Because the Type 81 (B) (and the base model Type 81, since the missiles are identical) would be terrible 11.3s.
They’d have a weaker motor, beinging the range down to 7km (5km effective). Their seeker is also worse, being only a regular IR seeker with no optical guidance and worse IRCCM.
There’s also no ARH version of these missiles, so what you see is what you get and the range isn’t getting any better.
And as if this wasn’t already bad enough, the launchers aren’t a self contained system anymore, so if your FCS vehicle is destroyed, so are the launchers.
The launchers can still function independently (thanks Skultew)
It would not be a good 11.3 with this performance
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From what i could find online the 81C ARH variant on top of the new seeker also recieved a motor upgrade in order to hit that 14km range
although gaijin has not implemented it
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As I know ARH variant has same motor as IR + TV so only difference should be in seeker type
It got upgraded motor in compare to older Type 81 and Type 81B
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Extra range might be just due to the new seeker.
Just a small spoiler; I made suggestions for Type 03 and Type 03 Kai, both are pending, still may take some time to see them.
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See theres conflicting information about these missiles and since its japanese its generally hard to find
Like from most sources i can find the type 11 uses the same seeker but has lower range How does that make sense?
Everything i could find is basically 81C got upgraded with the same AESA seeker as the type 11 and got upgraded with a smokeless motor that also improved its range
While the type 11 in some sources has that same motor but in others has a worse one that gives it only the 10km max instead of 14
If any of this is to be believed its either 2 things the 81C was just upgraded to be better than the type 11
Or the 81C was fitted with the same upgrades as the type 11 effectively turning it into a type 11
Only the latter would make sense
But really i just want to find some documents that arent classified that lists all this cause it really is hard to find otherwise
Apparently we already have the one with upgraded engines but that is strange to me because even if the current IR missile could actually lock onto something at 14 km headon, it still wouldn’t have the energy to hit, I think.
They reduced the drag on dev to help it but, I’m not sure how well that will help
Type 81C doesn’t have AESA seeker.
Also I am not sure even about Type 11. It is known that Type 11 got AESA radar on FCS vehicle instead of PESA on Type 81 (all). But I don’t remember anything about AESA seeker
Type 11 and Type 81C motors length and diameter is same and also at TRDI 60th book is said that more difference in missile for Type 11 was new processors and other electronic for faster work but not engine so it looks like engine is the same
Numbers of length is mostly secret and all distance listed can be not correct. The only what looks correct is 14km for Type 81C ARH missile because it was listed in Japanese book and it can be understood from demonstrative shots on videos.
I am sure that range of Type 11 is same or slightly different than Type 81C
But Type 81C is 1996 year modernisation while Type 11 is 2011 year new vehicle
As I said differences on missile is processors but more differences was at vehicles:
- FCS got new AESA radar with all advantages of this type of radar
- Launcher format was changed to another one
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/A9SG03w4Wkrq
I have submitted the same bug report in the past. However, the reply was
“It’s not a bug. There is a different version of the rocket engine.”
Well, maybe my writing style was a confusing sentence.
The seeker for the 81C missile is AESA.
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All of them should be able to fire without an FCS vehicle.
However, as you mentioned, the Type 81 (A/B) is just an IRH and can be easily countered with flares, so it’s probably not very effective. It might be a nightmare for aircraft without flares, but at BR 11.3, there aren’t any.
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I’ve really forgot about this picture
But what is bothering me in this question is why here isn’t any note about AESA seeker at TRDI 50th book what is weird. Also as I know Type 03 Chu-SAM doesn’t have AESA seeker because it is known that new Type 03 Kai got it in 2010s and knowning this I am little bit doubt that Type 81C in 1996 already got AESA seeker
Could it be only prototypes?
As for the 81C ARH, I think it is here.
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As for Type 03, to be honest, I am not sure if it is AESA or not. And since the Ka-band seeker document includes the sentence “Research on Ka-band surface-to-air guided missiles, etc.”, I think there is a slight possibility that Type 03 is also an AESA.
I haven’t seen anything that says Type 03 is not AESA, so I could be wrong.
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