日本は当時の予算が少なく
予算を使って87式と93式を合体させるより
87式と93式を分けた方がいいと考えたのだと思います。つまり予算を最低限節約するために
仕方がないことだったのです。
ですが今日本は軍事予算を大幅に上げているのでもしかしたらそのような車両が誕生するかもしれません
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基地防空用地対空誘導弾の改良型や
93式近距離地対空誘導弾の後継が試験中で
今年に試験が終わる予定です。
上の画像が基地防空用地対空誘導弾の改良型で
下の画像が93式近距離地対空誘導弾の後継です。
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基地防空用地対空誘導弾とは
11式地対空誘導弾を高機動車に搭載したものです。war thunderでは実装されていません
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Honestly it might just be me being blind or getting used to radars but since I love SPAAG’s I bring the type 87 to top tier (yeah yeah ik but its fun) and even gen 1 thermals would help a lot, even if it means getting the br bumped up to 8.7
if anyones interested this is what 2 hours of “research” got me:
https://combat1.sakura.ne.jp/87SHIKI-T.htm
I doubt these sources would be accepted but I dont really know, they all mention a thermal imager/system using infrared so what do you guys think? Anyone experienced with fishing for good sources helping out would be really appreciated too
Yes, it has, a sort of.
According to Type 87 specification D8008, it has two NVD equipments.
Type 87 Self propelled anti-air autocannon specification D8008
Type 82 Driving NVD
Spoiler
Type 87 SPAAG has Type 82 NVD according to its specification.
21 暗視装置 82式操縦用暗視装置
21 NVD Type 82 driving NVD
According to Type 82 Driving NVD specification, it is a dual-use passive/active nightvision device, which amplifies “light from a target illuminated by faint light such as starlight or by infrared radiation projected from a projector”.
受像器は，パッシブ／アクティブ兼用であり，星明りなどの微光又は投光器から投射された赤外線により照らされた目標からの光を，頭部プリズム部を通して対物光学部で集光して，光増幅部で増幅し，接眼プリズム部及び接眼光学部により可視像に変換する。
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Night vision binocular
Spoiler
It has a pair of night vision binoculars for the commander.
27 その他 暗視双眼鏡 車長用 １式 特殊付属品
27 others night vision binoculars for commander 1 set special belongings
Although nothing is said about the details of these binoculars, there is a equipment called Type 69 night vision binoculars.
Type 69 night vision binoculars specification XQ 7004
Type 69 night vision binoculars (B) specification XQ 7004B
Type 69 is capable of converting IR light to visible light.
３．１ 受像器は目標物からの赤外線を対物鏡音部で集光して，電子管(暗視管)の光電面上に結像させ，暗視管部で可視像に変換し，接眼鏡部を通して観察する。
However, it also states that it is used along with search lights of night vision devices.
暗視装置の投光器等を併用して
So Type 69 NV binoculars are an IR imager, but are unlikely to be a thermal imager.
Meanwhile, Type 69 (B) says nothing about IR light in Section 4: Functions. It only says that it intensifies faint light such as starlight.
４．機 能
(１) 星明かりなどで照らされた目標からの微光を対物光学部で集光し，光増幅部で増幅し，接眼光学部を通して目標物を視認することができる。
However, it also says that it is used along with searchlights of night vision devices. So I think Type 69 (B) is capable of intensifying faint visible light along with IR light.
Summary
It does have an IR imager, but only for the driver.
It has night vision binoculars with unknown details for the commander. They might be Type 69 NV binoculars or (B) variant of them. These binoculars intensify IR light, and Type 69 (B) can also intensify faint light such as starlight.
However, there might be something in the missing first section of table 3.
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Really nice finds, one of the images being broken is a shame but thanks for the help anyway ig it probably doesn’t have a thermal then
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In fact, they are not lying, but there is a nuance. According to some sources, such as the CIA report, the Type 87 is equipped with a LLLTV camera.
Spoiler
LLLTV (Low light level television) is actually the first widely used thermal imager, but its operating principle was somewhat different from modern ones. The first photosensitive sensors of CCD matrices (the basis of any digital camera) were rather poor at capturing the far infrared range, and therefore were not suitable for a thermal imager. The peak of light emission from bodies at temperatures close to ambient temperature falls at almost inaccessible wavelengths of 8-16 microns.
Spoiler
Over time, an idea arose to “help” photosensitive sensors by multiplying light - a photomultiplier located in front of the sensitive matrix could turn one photon of light into 100…1,000,000 of the same photons, radically increasing the brightness of the image.
In other words, despite the fact that the first sensors in the matrix poorly perceived the IR spectrum (especially the most interesting far part of the IR spectrum), by repeatedly amplifying the image, it was possible to obtain relatively high-quality images.
In fact, this device is designed to work in bright light as well - the photomultiplier is designed in such a way as to amplify primarily the middle and far IR spectrum that we need, without particularly amplifying the visible range. By the way, a similar device was initially ordered for the STB-1, but it was abandoned in the serial Type 74 for economic reasons.
Further development of the device consisted of… simply turning it back to front. Thanks to the improvement of photosensitive elements, it became possible to install an electro-optical amplifier not in front of it, but behind it. We multiplied the light not before the photosensitive matrix, responsible for converting light into a digital image, but after it.
This allowed to reduce the “noise” of the image to some extent, and to radically reduce the weight and size. The difference between the new generation of thermal imagers is shown in the image. It is not difficult to notice some “graininess” in the lower image, caused by unwanted spectrum that penetrated through the filters into the photomultiplier. To avoid overexposure of the image, photons of “unnecessary” spectra had to be cut off by light filters that did not allow the unnecessary range of waves into the photomultiplier.
Modern thermal imaging matrices, due to the further growth of sensitivity of the elements, can actually work without photomultipliers, so high is their sensitivity in the far IR range. However, it is still present in the circuit, performing the role of regulating the brightness of the image. Well, in current matrices, photomultiplication is achieved by additional voltage on a conductive plate, regulating the “effort” necessary for a photon to be noticed - no more vacuum tubes and luminophores.
Below is a graph that demonstrates in very simple terms the balance between image clarity and brightness (contrast). It is easy to see that early models of thermal imagers (which include the LLLTV) had a hard time finding a balance - the image was often either too pale, like in European cameras, or did not preserve the smallest details, like in American cameras. In fact, you could find a balance between the two parameters by simply adjusting the power of the photomultiplier (the vast majority of designs not only allowed this, but also required it).
Modern matrices, by and large, are free of this problem, allowing you to combine image clarity and brightness. However, they are still far from absolutely ideal, and research into their improvement continues. Interestingly, in most countries, R&D for the creation of thermal imagers is funded by the military, not the private sector.
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The project to install Type 91 missiles on the Type 87 chassis “similar to the Gepard” actually existed, but as far as I know, it did not get past the sketch stage. It was quickly subject to yet another round of financial cuts.
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あなたは日本出身で、国立公文書館にアクセスできますか?
I pretty much only use the HEAT-FS. Works for me, give it a try. Also, Strv 103s are easy pickings at any range which is very satisfying.
残念ながらいけません
Not sure what happened or maybe is just my issue, but can’t see the picture
They are also absolute cooking with the Type 10.
Best frontal protection at its tier > outstanding mobility > a really nice 3D model even with the additional turret baskest attached.
I always thought WT shared its models with this game but this appears to be wrong.
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Maybe type 10 fixes next update in wt?
Turret basket got me in shambles
thats probably far too much nuisance for gaijin but thanks a lot and good job on the really thorough research, realistically im not expecting much of balance changes for any of the vehicles with how gaijin is operating right now, maybe the influx of fuji players might decrease the japenese win performance statistics enough to warrant some buffs/changes overall
Reported the Type 74G for missing commander’s thermal sight and incorrect low-resolution thermal sight.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/sZZYJWP0Zteq
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