General Japanese & Thai Ground Forces Discussion HQ

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If you look at my suggestion again, I made it clear that the Type 89 prototype is proposed as a premium or special vehicle, like a squadron or event vehicle, which Japan currently lacks. When was the last time there was a Japanese event vehicle? The Ka-Chi was added a very long time ago or almost two years ago to be specific. Or how about a premium IFV? Well, we have nothing. Also, just because I made this suggestion doesn’t mean it’s going to be added immediately before all the other IFVs that have been suggested before it. You know, a vehicle suggestion can take up to 3 years or more to be implemented, So anything that has already been passed to the developers in the past still has a higher chance of being added into the game first. Like seriously, this thing was approved for voting just yesterday, but I don’t know why you are so worried about it being something that avoids other IFVs from being implemented.

In matter of facts i always find it perplexing when a particular group of individuals becomes apprehensive upon encountering a new suggestion, fearing that established ones, which have been through Gaijin’s eyes for years, might suddenly face cancellation or alteration. It’s simply not how it work !!!

Unless, of course, even many years after this, we still don’t have those IFVs, and by that point, Gaijin might now be aware of this suggestion and choose to implement it. Well, in that case, it can’t be helped.

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I don’t know what the TK-X P filled, we already had two Type 90 which was a pretty good lineup, same with having Type 10 and TK-X at 11.7. And I do not believe that most people were a fan of “at least Gaijin made an attempt to make that Type 10 different than the rest”. Nobody likes having something being nerfed in order to have it at a lower BR, in fact, it is the opposite, we would rather have the vehicle unchanged to remain at the same BR as the vehicle it is copied from. Ask anyone how they think of the Type 16 FPS not having Type 93 APFSDS just to be at 9.3. The TK-X P should have been another 11.7 tank with its Type 10 APFSDS considering both the 11.0 and 11.7 lineups had two tanks at the time. That was my main issue with the TK-X P actually.

The same goes for the Type 89 P; if it’s added, I want it to be at the same BR as the Type 89 without Gaijin attempting anything funny. I like the Type 89 even in its current state, but having another one in the form of a premium or reward vehicle would be a welcome addition so I could have two Type 89s in the lineup. It’s no different from the reason you have a Type 74F or Type 90B.

Yes, there are many WW2 vehicle suggestions, and a dozen of those are from myself. But you need to realize the fact that Gaijin is simply not interested in them. You can clearly tell that for a whole years between 2022 and 2023, not a single WW2 vehicle was added to the tech tree. The last WW2 tank they added was the Hi-Ro sha, and that was in 2021. Despite many of those vehicles requiring little to no effort to make, I’m not going to hold my breath for any more years expecting unique WW2 or Cold War vehicles to be added. If I have to be honest with you, I’m done doing that.

Realistically, many people were dissapointed with the near-copies that Japan has recieved in the last few updates (except Type 81 (C) of course), because there are obviously better choices Gaijin could have made that would help the tree out in the other BRs it struggles in. It is not just about whether or not the tank stands out among its contemporaries, but also if it actually improves the tree by some length.

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I don’t remember if I was disappointed with anything we got last update. My biggest concern with the copy-paste vehicle we got last year was the Type 87 P being extremely overrated. If it was added at a reasonable BR, it could be a very useful addition to 6.7 up to 7.3 lineups. I honestly was very glad to see the Type 87 P added. Regarding the TK-X P, my other problem, besides it having no Type 10 APFSDS, is that I would rather have a TK-X No.4 than having a prototype of a prototype, which is simply silly. But I would be completely fine with another TK-X prototype, just not one that is based on the existing TK-X.

And don’t forget the Type 99 which was a brand new vehicle added along side Type 81 in the same year.

Would I rather have something more unique, something we haven’t seen before? Obviously, of course, but since we are not getting them, I’m just going to make do with what we are given. As I said, one is better than zero.

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It held true back then and it still does now. If that logic is applied to Japan we should have been given a bunch of unqiue experimental tank by now included the B78. But this is the sixth year since the B78 was passed for consideration, so where is it ? What is stopping Gaijin if they could use their imagination in recreating the vehicle ?
Would you rather keep waiting for six more year and not getting something at all along the way ?

If you look at the PLZ83-130 suggestion it at least have a whole vehicle specifications available. Additionally it is based on the already existing vehicle. And since it is Chinese and was ininitally built for export so i can imagine that achieving more details that is not available on the internet is easier for Gaijin to achieve. Beside don’t they have a Chinese consultant working for Chinese vehicles aswell ? I don’t believe we have one for Japan or at least not anymore.
The B78 for example is desinged exclusively for Japan, most of their stuff are kept in secrecy because they were not trying to seek out for foreign customers. So it is very different between Japan and other countries.

The funny thing is, i made my suggestion for the MCV no.3 aka the Type 16 (P) back in 2020. This thing had everything from countless high resolution of photos taken from different angle to the vehicle performance since we already have the Type 16 in the game so it uses the same vehicle stats. And it took about only two years to be seen in the game. So clearly existing vehicle especially if it based on the already existing one that we already knew about and that they don’t have to figure out the interior layout such as ammunition racks, crew positions, engine placement etc is much easier for them to make.

The common tactical tracked vehicle might be a much easier vehicle to implement, although again it is nowhere to be found. But it should be placed above the Type 89 by provinding it with a 35mm APFSDS rounds, perferably at 9.3 BR. The common tactical wheeled vehicle might not be coming anytime soon given that it is not even yet enter the service. Although both are valuable vehicles that would tremendously enhance the tech tree, it’s better not to expect them if you don’t want to end up disappointed with each new update.

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For anyone wondering, common tactical tracked vehicle, better power per weight ratio

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I’d actually say there are reasonable ways to make it different. When I first saw it at 10.0 on the dev server I was expecting it to have removed composites for a weight to 40t, and then function essentially as Japans “tracked light tank”.
Another thing I thought could’ve been done would be the use of earlier prototype version of the Type 10 shell, such as the Type IV that was used as test projectile against Type 10 armor and is at least visually a bit different. This idea actually excited me a lot, as a Gaijin estimation for Type IV APFSDS would help also get a more accurate estimation for armor, seeing as we know that the composite covered areas of the tank frontally resist it at 250m.
And of course I was expecting the hull model to be a placeholder copied from the existing prototype, rather than the final choice. It really caught me off guard that they decided to add the same vehicle, with the same serial number, twice.

But sadly the difference we did end up getting was not a different armor configuration (unless you count the earlier turret storage boxes) or a prototype round, but an artificial limit to JM33 that just seemed a bit lazy.

I’d be very excited if they did take their time to implement all of the prototypes in different configurations or maybe even the same configuration as squadron or event vehicles, but the TKX (P) we got disappointed me.

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I thought it was worse because it uses the Type 16’s engine, which produces 30hp less power

Yes this is the one.
But as being said, it is powered by the same engine as the MCV which is slightly weaker but nothing to worry about.


Anyway i want to make clear about the Type 89P, it is most important to understand that the suggestion is never intended to replace the other IFV implementations! It is simply an idea of what could come after them or alongside them! Having multiple vehicles, regardless of how similar they are, is not a loss; it is a gain!

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I also think, TK-X and Type 10 could have been in a separate branch aswell. With type 10 succeeding Type 90, and TK-X in the Type 89 branch. (Similar to China having ztz 99 prototype separated from the production ztz 99).
Since the medium tank branch is currently the most packed in the TT and is the most obvious one that people choose to spending time on.

With the Type 10 branch you would get the production Type 10 and Type 10 with a dozer blade

With TK-X you get the TK-X no.3 and no.4 respectively.
And possible more to follow.

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Yeah but the weight of the hull it’s exponentially lower than the last one

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The hull for tracked vehicle platform is approx. 24 ton. Adding up turret, ammo, fuel. I think the weight is not much different to type 89 (26.5 ton). Actually, I think it is even slightly heavier than the type 89.

the main difference of the hull is the material its build in wich its lighter, aswell as the engine being lighter than the Type 89 engine so i dont think that a lighter hull and engine will make it heavier specially taking in count they only moved the turet on that hull to demonstrate its a universal hull

if im not wrong japan its developing 3 different turrets at the moment according to janes review, one of them could be the turret for a possible new IFV or its just me coping one of two lol

What do you say about a dedicated anti-drone vehicle?

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dosent count, also looks cool if i were in there, the last thing i would target would be drones people passing nearby will have a bald scalp after passing by tho

I honestly didn’t saw you were replying to me. Anyway i was not responding to you with the anti-drone vehicle.

Regarding the turret, it could be anything, but I wouldn’t get my hopes up too high for another IFV, especially considering that the CTWV is already being mass-produced and Japan favors wheel-based AFVs. I can’t really see a tracked IFV showing up again, especially considering that the last time one was seen was about four years ago, and absolutely nothing has been heard about it since.

I’m more optimistic about a new amphibious combat vehicle, especially considering the fact that the ‘Amphibious Rapid Deployment Brigade’ lacks a fire support vehicle. The turret is said to be a PROTECTOR MCT-30, so it would be equipped with an MK.44 gun that can share ammunition with the CTWV.
It sounds reasonable, especially considering that the Oerlikon 35mm gun was selected for the Type 89 IFV mainly because of the ammunition compatibility between the Oerlikon GDF and the Oerlikon KDA.

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man i want a proper ifv for japan

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I recently stumbled upon a tweet pointing out an intriguing detail in a film scene: among the surrendered vehicles, there appeared to be a Chi-Ha tank equipped with a Chi-He turret, complete with appliqué armor. This discovery suggests that the Chi-Ha variant with a Chi-He turret, previously believed to have been modified solely by US troops after capture, actually existed and was modified by the Japanese themselves.


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So the uparmored turret from Soumo arsenal that this caption is referring to is just a failure to mention it is from a Chi-He?
chihauparmored

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Not another 30mm bushmaster -_-

Why must it always be a 30mm bushmaster

25mm Oerlikon is the superior AC (Although the 35mm from the Type 87 AA would be kinda funny as an IFV / AFV main weapon XD)

Do ST-A1 and 2 have 500hp gross or net power?
I might have asked this several months ago.

500 hp at 2200 rpm