This is just a repost on the same comment I posted on the other thread for Japan-Thai vehicles but seeing this is more apt for discussions on ground vehicles, Ill repost it here. This is the Alvis Scorpion 90, a unique modernization upgrade only adopted by Malaysia, Nigeria, Indonesia, & Venezuela. If the Thai subtree ever adds the FV101 Scorpion, I was hoping this would be like a good sidegrade or even premium for the TT.
Alvis developed this with Venezuela and Malaysia in mind and Malaysia did order a batch of these (26 units) in 1981, then Indonesia ordered like 3 batches of these (~121 units) making them the largest users of the Scorpion 90 variant (even surpassing Venezuela’s ~80 units ordered).
This addition was disappointing due to the overexaggerated BR placement. Placing a vehicle that can’t even penetrate a medium tank from the side at 7.7 BR, with no other suitable vehicles to accompany it, feels like a missed opportunity. I feel bad for this unique vehicle, as it isn’t just a copy-paste from the Type 87, featuring a different gun and appearance. However, I lack motivation to use or invest Silver Lions in this vehicle at its current BR.
Don’t feel bad in the least for not investing in the Type 87 P in it’s current state- used it for a good few matches, and the top round can’t even pen the side of the T-55 clones and Pattons, let alone all the heavy tanks, that fill the BR range…
i personally do good at 9.7 with the type 16 but yeah i still believe it needs to go back a bit since fighting T90A’s casually its kind of annoying specially with a shell that barely pens 400 mm of armor at 10 meters
The Type 87 P’s stock grind truly brought me to the brink. Unable to scratch the surface of US/Soviet mediums and heavies, and just barely being able to penetrate the light armor of BMPs and Marders. I more or less only used it to kill helicopters and aircraft, before giving up on finishing the stock grind.
I agree that the Type 16 can still be usable at its current BR. However, I believe it should go back to 9.3 mainly because I don’t want to keep pushing my 9.0 and 9.3 vehicles just to play the Type 16.
When it was at 9.3, I could use it with the Type 93 and Type 74G, creating a very effective lineup. But now, that lineup is completely ruined.
Why are they even bothering with trying to have other Type 16s at a 0.4 BR lower just to play around with the terrible M735?
Don’t bother with it; I highly recommend playing the SUB-I-II instead. You get the same firepower and 400 more rounds. It might have worse survivability due to the gunner being exposed, slower speed, and lack of stabilizer, but it’s still a very good SPAAG for lineups ranging from 5.3 to 7.3. Additionally, it recently received a speed buff, increasing its maximum speed from 50 to 60 km/h.
Yeah, go play the SUB-I-II.
I’ll consider getting the Type 87 P only once it goes down to at least 7.3 and put it with my Type 99, M47, and Ho-Ri lineup. But definitely not putting them with the Type 87 at 7.7; that’s a no-brainer.
I’d like to add, Type 99 does super well as an AA for 7.3 with the (PF) round. Will just take time to get used to it like any other vehicle. If only it had a rangefinder, would make things easier.
yes, the type 87 prototype should be 7.3. I recently played with it and fired about 10 bullets into the Chinese Pt-76, only one penetrated its lower front plate and all it did was slightly injure one of the crew.
This image may be of interest to those who like obscure Japanese vehicles. In the distance you can see a Chi-So APC. In the middle foreground is what I think is the Type 5 Ke-Ho or maybe a Type Ke-to, but I’m not sure. Some on Japanese Twitter think it’s the Chi-Ho, but I’m somewhat doubtful of that claim. Lower tank is some kind of construction vehicle
The document also states that the Type 94 truck weighs 3,400 kg.
The Isuzu Type 94 SPAA weighs 5.3 tons in the game, but I think it is overweight since the curb weight of an Isuzu Type 94 six-wheel truck is 3.4 to 3.5 tons and the total weight of the 20 mm Type 98 cannon including wheels etc is 430 kg. Maybe 5.3 tons should be the total weight with the payload loaded to the max.
In Enlisted, the Isuzu Type 94 weighs 5.3 tons even though it is just a cargo truck not carrying a 20 mm cannon.
The organization taking on this restoration is planning on opening a museum in 2027, in Gotemba City. Other vehicles that will be present in the museum include:
The only restored Ha-Go in Japan (complete with original Mitsubishi engine!)
An early version of the Kurogane scout car
And most interestingly, as of March 2024, negotiations are in progress with the National Museum of the Pacific War in Fredericksburg, Texas to ship their Chi-Ha Kai to Japan for restoration and display. Japan has only 3 known Chi-Ha tanks, all of them the 57mm version, with only 1 of those being fully restored, so it is exciting that they will finally recieve one of the more iconic versions.
And then of course the aforementioned Ha-Go Bulldozer, nicknamed “Ha-Bull”
Surviving Panzers lists one at a memorial in Guadalcanal. However Pacific Wrecks notes this as being a Type 92 I-Ke Prime Mover. The link leads to a Russian website about the Kuril Islands, so it’s likely a mistake.
The Beck Military Museum vehicle is probably indeed the last of its kind unless another happens to be found in the future.
Also, it is worth mentioning the same Beck Museum Ro-Ke was offered to the Japanese organization I wrote about above, but they refused due to already having preparations for the bulldozer Ha-Go restoration. So perhaps it will be considered for the future.
