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and yes god forbid the Ho-Ri.

I have never seen one fall so low for this

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he used this doc to explains how it would be implemented

Yet there is no proof of it actually having it.
just some doc where it says, this is how it would be implemented.

By that logic give the Japanese AH-64 the JAGM systems.

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I really don’t think that it’s done on purpose.

It’s very common to make mistakes, especially while researching things. On game forums or normal discussions it’s just not as consequential as published articles or books, so a lot of things are just what people think they know and not everything is always perfectly proven. Especially when info on something is more limited there’s also a lot more assumptions and theories on what things could be if something isn’t properly proven or denied yet.
Personally I still sometimes need to correct my mistake for misreading F-2 pylons, where I really believed the wet CRLs had MRM integration. Turns out the markings for MRM were never there, but I believed it for a time, and since all of this happens somewhat live on the forum and discord, others saw that and some still believe it.
I think it’s a very good idea to call out and correct mistakes like this, but I don’t think it necessarily takes bad people to make them.

He does it intentionally, if not he is so far up there where the light doesn’t shines.
If you have seen the F-14A for JASDF discussion where he claimed that the JASDF trialed the F-14A.
I have never head of JASDF testing the F-14A and especially never heard them testing the F-14A block 135 as he love to mention it soo much.

He is a liar and is on the same level on copium as Mai.

Wasn’t it? It was a main contender for Japans third F-X fighter program alongside the F-15 and F-16. At least from what I’ve seen the only outlier that wasn’t trialed by Japanese pilots was the F-16, where it was only observed from an F-4.

Sure, it’s a stretch to add a vehicle like that, but that’s just how it is for any trialed vehicle, not specific to the F-14.

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Here is suggestion on forum about Japanese F-14 Japanese F-14A - An alternate outcome of the 3rd F-X Program
and in source you find something like this:

ウ 防衛庁は,この3機種について航空自衛隊のパイロットによるテス卜飛行を実地に行うなど,各種の調査を行うため,2回目の調査団を昭和51年5月下旬から約60日間にわたって米国に派遣した。

(c) The Defense Agency dispatched a second investigation team to the United States for approximately 60 days from late May 1976 to conduct various investigations, including test flights by Air Self-Defense Force pilots on the three aircraft types.

http://www.clearing.mod.go.jp/hakusho_data/1977/w1977_03.html

So actually yes, Japanese pilots flew F-14 in time when new fighter program was active (F-15 won this time)

And maybe I am not person who should say it but could you stop this speech which even have many false states by you (like half of states where was lie turned on true)

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except people are telling you that it is bad for quick searches aswell

It depends on what I am searching for.

Yes, the good’ol classic spamming images with nonesensical talk.
It doesn’t matter the fact you used false sources regarding your posts in the past and to this day.

Still doesn’t change the fact you tried to convince people that Japan was working on the 135mm cannon for their Type-90 tanks.

This image real? Really hoping is

Of course not

Still got this thing to figure out. It’s making my head hurt.

They were, at least initially. The cannon for the STC tank that became the Type 90 was supposed to be either a 120mm or 135mm domestic cannon from either JSW or Daikin. I don’t think the cannon was ever fitted to the prototypes, and it was eventually decided to use the more common 120mm caliber and imported Rheinmetall L/44 cannons in the Type 90 (only the initially two prototypes used JSW 120mm). The domestic 120mm was eventually developed into the Type 10s cannon, the 135mm was likely just discarded completely.

There’s not a lot of information on the 135mm cannon besides that it supposedly achieved a muzzle velocity of 2000m/s. There’s no images or even plans for it that I could find anywhere.
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But it’s still not misinformation, just a very obscure project that didn’t get very far.

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Wasn’t there a Type 74 spotted one time with ERA?

Are you referring to the type 74 sabra opfor kit?

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This is what I know so far about it,

Masanori Kanagi who was the general manager of the defense R&D division at Daikin. Daikin makes all of the Japanese ammo and did some work on some cannons. Like everyone else building 140mm cannons, they saw that Russia was looking at upping the caliber of their tanks to 135/152mm. They started working on a 135mm gun in anticipation for the new tank that was under development. They managed to test it, but the initial specs for the Type 90 came out and it called for a 120mm. ATLA didn’t want to be using a gun with different ammo than what America was using, so Daikin ended up downsizing the 135mm gun into the 120mm gun that ended up on the first 2 prototypes.

JSW and DAIKIN ind also independently developed a 135mm cannon (which never got to be mounted) outside of the contract as a possible upgrade which was able to achieve a 2000m/s muzzle velocity revealed by one of the lead designers at DAIKIN (not much else is known past the velocity), but with budget restrictions both the JSW 120 and 135mm cannons were shelved in favor of the cheaper Rh120 despite the advantages of the domestic gun.

As mentioned earlier, the gun used by the TKX-0002 (and the TKX-0001) was a prototype 120mm L/44 gun made by Japan Steel Works. The history of this gun started with the development of the Type 90 back in the late 70’s. Surprisingly, it was initially developed as a 135mm gun by Daikin Industries, not a 120mm. This was rather ambitious, seeing as Japan at that point only had a little experience developing tank guns since the end of WWII. This 135mm gun was noted to have sabot shells that were able to reach speeds in excess of 2000 m/s, according to one of the developers of the gun. At some point afterwards, the 135mm gun was cancelled for unspecified reasons, though it was likely due to cost and the impracticability of developing an autoloader for 135mm shells. Nevertheless, the research on the 135mm gun was used for the development on the 120mm Japan Steel Works gun, with the 135mm specifically being noted as having been “miniaturized”. While there were apparently many problems during the development of the 120mm, the end result had high accuracy and armor-penetrating capabilities.

Like it´s mentioned before, information about this is very scarce.

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I do hope they add the IRST F-15 at some point…

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Might be, I’m not too sure.

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No, there wasn’t Type 74 with ERA so maybe you saw opfor kits what was showed earlier

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