There is also the very first Indonesian Rafale; Rafale B F.4 #T-0301
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Do any of those aircraft get interesting or unique missiles to them? Like python 4(5), Debry, IRIS-T, etc etc…
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Spoiler
Hawk MK.53
Lower BR hawk with a 30mm aden pod would be a great 7.7 man… maybe even after the naval fighter line where the r2y2 was to cap that line off
Characteristics:
- Crew: 2
- Powerplant: 1x Rolls-Royce Turbomeca Limited Adour Mk.851
- Dry thrust: 2,359kgf
- Maximum speed: Mach 0.81 at Sea Level
- Rate of climb: 47m/s
- Maximum g-load: +7.5G/-4G
Armaments:
*Note; The armament is incomplete, will expand
Suspended Ordinance
| Station 1 | Station 2 | Station 3 | Station 4 | Station 5 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2.75 in FFAR rockets | 7 | 7 | 7 | 7 | |
| 30mm ADEN gunpod (120 rpg) | 1 | ||||
| 120 gallon drop tank | 1 | 1 | |||
| (Yoinked from ASEAN founders thread ASEAN Founders Aviation Sub-Tree) |
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no rafale cs?
Rafale Cs are still in production.
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Most likely what they are planning to be for Japans 14.0+ unless they add Gripen E regardless that Thai hasnt gotten them physically yet.
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From what I remember at least there is some interesting options, but nothing too unusual for these aircraft. For the western aircraft Indonesia has operated AIM-9P-2, AIM-9P-4, AIM-9P-5, AIM-9X-2 and AIM-120C-7. With the Rafale I believe they also purchased the Meteor. For the Eastern aircraft they operate the R-73E, R-27ER1 and RVV-AE.
I’ve also seen mentions of MAA-1 for their A-29 Super Tucano, but I’m not sure about that.
For the IF/KF-21 they haven’t bought any aircraft yet, and they are only receiving their prototype next year (the fifth KF-21 prototype I think), so it’s unsure what missiles they will use with these if they buy them. But it’s generally presented with Meteor and IRIS-T.
I would guess if they go for buying these aircraft they would end up equipped with Meteor alongside the AIM-9X-2, but that’s really just a guess.
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Yeah, I mostly listed the 209 because I was going for high to top tier aircraft. But I feel like the Hawk 53 could be a very good aircraft for rank V where there isn’t a lot of options right now.
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Indonesia ordered both Rafale B and Cs, the first completed aircraft so far is only a twin seater.
Personally I’d hope to see it since twin seaters are cool and it’d be nice to see more, but both would be possible.
I also wonder if Indonesia gets nation-specific export designations/variants similar to nations like India or Quatar. Would be nice to get specific Rafale DI / EI models for Indonesia
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Any idea what ir missiles their rafale will get? From what I understand, the only options are mica ir/ir ng and the magic 2, i dont think any other ir missile is compatible
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Not sure if they ordered any new missiles for it, so we can only wait and see. But for the purposes of the game it should at least be safe to say that it would be compatible to MICA just like French Rafale F.4
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Ki-201 got passed 🥳
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Mi-35P might be a new squadron vehicle. And the introduction to a new subtree like F-5 FCU and Hunter F.58.
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Indonesia EMB 314 Super Tucano and Thailand AT-6TH Wolverine combo would be interesting.
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about the F-4EJ kai having AAM-3:
in this video, Timestamp + visual:
1:05 - one CAT-AAM-3 (right aircraft side) + one AAM-3 (left aircraft side)
1:50 - one visible AAM-3 (left aircraft side) // next scene shows CAT-AAM-3
2:50 - Northrop Grumman AN/ALQ-131 ECM Pod is visible under the F-4EJ Kai belly
Differents aircrafts - wouldn’t be done if the missile was in testing trials,…
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Nah even the JSI will only get from the EX the radar, electronic warfare suite, cockpit and new munitions for air to ground and possibly the extra amraam pylons, still will retain weaker engines and no advanced fbw that makes the EX maneuver like crazy, I wish Japan would just order EXs for themselves already but given they’re committed to F-35s instead and in a joint 6th gen program with UK and Italy (GCAP) then it’s understandable
Is Indonesia still getting the su-35?
No that was cancelled ages ago in favor of the F-15ID (15EX for Indonesia) and Rafale Cs, Indonesia are distancing themselves from Russian equipment
Re-up here from Southeast Asian (ASEAN) Machinery Of War Discussion Thread
Slightly older news
- TF KAAN has been purchased
- KF-21 will be purchased but only a small amount (+ prototype is being planned to be transfered to Indonesia next year)
- Our F-16C/D Block 52ID will be upgraded to Turkish Ozgur 2 Package
- We’re also checking on the J-10A/C performance in Pakistan to determine whether we will get it or not.
- Hawk series (50/100/200) are slowly being retired in lieu of the coming Rafales
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Going for the J10a in the big 2025 is hilarious. Going for the j10 in general is dumb because well rafale
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