Tell us what that might be.
JAS39A to 13.7
MIG-29SMT to 13.7
AV-8B+ to 13.7
Bro please
The ADF to 12.7 would be good but the F-14B can stay at 13.0
I don’t see why MiG-29SMT with a fixed flight model (but even without it) and the first Gripen with AMRAAMs can’t be 13.7.
It’s an attacker, it should be judged by it’s air to ground ordnance, which is excellent. It also has AMRAAMs, which is excellent armament even for top tier fighters, and this is an attacker.
F-14 is an old plane - first 4th gen, deserves to be a little lower, even if it’s the upgraded version. It also has some limitations. Only head on radar modes, that’s quite a big disadvantage. Very hot with small caliber flares, but at least it gets a lot of them. If you use phoenixes, you can’t dogfight unless you fire all of them.
It can stay at 13.0, either way it will be fine at both 12.7 and 13.0.
Ok MIG-29SMT can go to 13.7
F-14B can just get the AIM-9M
The JAS-39A does not have AMRAAMS
The AV-8B will be a subsonic pen fighting F-16C’s, F-15C’s and Su-27’s
A/G ordnance does not matter in ARB especially now that we have separated BR’s
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It’s not supposed to fight them, the air to air weapons it has are meant for self defense. It’s supposed to be inferior to them as an attacker.
First of all these are proposed changes for air sim, in sim attackers actually have something to do. Second of all the fact that some planes don’t have a real purpose in air rb is a problem with the game mode. Many air rb players are asking for EC.
Ok. RB EC would be cool tho. As far as i know the JAS-39A could not equip the AIM-120 but if gaijin would add it it would be basically the same shit as the JAS-39C. Right?
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Good direction.
Why?
This = remove from the game.
They’re better than r77 at some point only because of bad modelled r77.
Fixing fm - yes.
Add my points:
9m must be not smokeless but reduced smoke.
Attakers needs loadout BR feature. Lowest possible BR with dumb fire weapons and rear aspect missiles and so on.
It’s the other way around, Gripens never carried Sparrows. They carried AMRAAMs from the beginning.
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I think we all need RB EC because this is the only way to fixing bugs and further developing.
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R-73 & R-73E replace 6x R-60 on MiG-29 (9-12A), MiG-29 (9-12B) and MiG-29 (9-13)
Remove R-27E (R-27ER & R-27ET) and R-27E1 (R-27ER1 & R-27ET1) from 4 MiG-29 in soviet, germany and italy tech tree
- MiG-29 (9-12A)
- MiG-29 (9-12B)
- MiG-29 (9-13)
- MiG-29G
Decrease battle rating to 12.7 same as MiG-29 (9-12A), MiG-29 (9-12B) and MiG-29 (9-13) because lose R-27ER1 & R-27ET1
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Irl R-27ER saw very little use and even less success. It’s also more of an AIM-120 counterpart, they were made 1 year apart. Since that’s the case and it’s too strong even against AIM-7P, it can be just a sidegrade to the the R-77.
Making it artificially weaker to be balanced against an AIM-7 is a lame solution imo. This game has always kept vehicles realistic and balanced them in other ways, like BRs.
If that’s how it actually is irl then yes ofc.
Imo having copy pastes of vehicles with different loadouts like it is right now is better. Then they can have different camos.
Also there should be no A-10 or Su-25 at 10.7 with only dumb bombs and AIM-9Bs or R-3S or something, that’s still dumb. Gen 2 jets looking like tin cans without any paint like MiG-21s flying next to something that you can tell is more modern just by looks like A-10 or Su-25 is dumb.
MiG-29G is also 12.7 material, but I wanted to make a distinction, that it has western RWR, it’s a modernized, NATO-ified Mig-29 and is better than all the other MiGs, so it should be higher in BR.
Overall 12.7 and 13.0 here are almost identical in capabilities. The 13.0’s existence is meant to make people play planes with less weapons like F-16s and MiG-29s when 12.7 is on top. If F-16s and MiG-29s had the same BR as F-15s and Su-27s, everyone would play F-15s and Su-27s simply because they have more weapons, more fuel etc.
A-4B to 10.0? It’s a bomber.
AV-8A is trash at 9.7 as is.
Su-25K/standard, AMX, and A-10 is mediocre at 10.7 as-is.
Su-25T is mediocre at at 11.7 as-is, same with Su-25SM3 for 12.7.
AV-8B+ is fine where it is as well.
Your entire attacker list is backwards and makes no sense.
Mirage 2000C and F-14B being the same BR is more balanced than Mirage 2000 being below it.
The rest aren’t necessary.
No.
So you want the Mig-29s to go to 13.0+ and not have extra options for missiles… stupid.
Yak-141 is already garbage at 12.7, and moving it to 13.0+ with R-73s while removing R-27ER is stupid.
To F-14B? NO! Add F-14D instead.
On top of all that, you don’t increase F-14B’s BR to 13.3 where it’d have to be with 9Ms.
And you don’t increase Mig-29’s BR to 13.0+ where they’d need to be for R-73s.
These suggestions are terrible…
That’s bait…
A-10 and Su-25 are older than much of the gen-3 jets you listed.
Show me the IRL difference between reduced smoke and how it is represented in game as smokeless. And do it without finding images where it is creating contrails.
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Of course it doesn’t make sense if you think they should dogfight. Attackers should be judged by their air to ground ordnance.
Your logic is backwards. One good missile given, one OP missile taken (technically 2), same BR. Flight models fixed to make them actually even with the U.S. planes.
Also AIM-9M and R-73 aren’t missiles that make a plane 13.3 by themselves, especially in the new BVR meta and when everyone at 12.7 would get them (or Magic 2s for the French) according to these changes. Get that through your skull.
What makes a plane 13.3 are Fox 3s, that’s why J-8F is 13.3, even though it’s garbage besides the Fox 3s. There should be no planes at 13.3 without Fox 3s, because 13.3 always meets 13.7s with the current brackets. There should be also no planes with Fox 3s below 13.3.
F-14B used them and we aren’t getting F-14D. There’s hype for the F-18, not another F-14.
F-14 and MiG-23MLD are older than A-10 and Su-25.
All of the listed ones are trash.
None of them can deal with anything that an F-4C can do better and faster.
AV-8C can’t even frag a base.
There are no OP missiles in War Thunder.
F-16A, and before the BR nonsense: Mig-29G, Mirage 4000, and Gripen.
We are getting F-14D cause it’s a production aircraft thus will come to the game at some point.
9Ls are also F-14B’s correct missiles.
Are you serious?
Show without showing. Prove without proving.
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All irl info speaks of reduced smoke, not smokelessness.
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It is much more difficult to find a video with the launch of 9M/X and almost invisible smoke. Analyzing the video, it is obvious that an almost absent trace is only present near the ground at high air temperatures. All launches from aircraft have a trace. Launches at high altitude have a fat trail, like any other missiles. In War Thunder 9m there is always an almost invisible trace from the face of the launcher, but from the outside it is simply not visible at all.
In the video of a launch from a ground installation in a hot climate, where the trail is most invisible, it is more noticeable than in War Thunder.
Those planes are amazing dogfighting if you know how to use them … well, the A-10 you don’t even need to know how to use it. Also the have very good guns, and all aspect misiles …
The best thing F-4C has are Bullpups, it’s a little bit better than A-4B, since it has a bigger variant of the Bullpup available.
A-10 and Su-25 have the best AGMs in the game and TV or laser guided bombs. Su-25T even has Vikhrs. A-10 can carry twice as many 2000lb bombs as F-4C can.
F-4C can bomb bases better with smaller bombs, because it’s a fighter-bomber, not just a regular fighter.
It can with Napalm.
Early harriers are in a difficult situation. Their main advantages irl were VTOL and low operational cost. They had low payload, but could operate, where no other plane could. Both of these advantages are meaningless in War Thunder.
Harriers can’t be balanced in War Thunder. They will either be slinging SRAAMs, AIM-9Gs or God forbid AIM-9Ls at subsonic and/or flareless jets, or they will be trash with their pathetic payload.
For AV-8C it doesn’t matter if it will face MiG-21S or MiG-21bis, but it will matter for the flareless MiG-21S.
Early harriers should be purely planes that you take out for fun, to do something stupid with VTOL.
R-27ER certainly was OP before Fox 3s were added. It was nerfed, but in this proposal I want it to be realistic, which pretty much means reverting the nerf.
“At some point” does not sound good. I could say that we will get F-22 and Su-57 “at some point”.
I’m actually fine with F-16A/ADF, F-15A and F-14B not receiving AIM-9Ms and staying with AIM-9Ls against MiG-29s and Su-27s with R-73s.
AIM-9L and AIM-9M are the same missile with different seekers and one has a smokeless motor. R-73s aren’t difficult to flare if you react quickly, which also isn’t difficult to do, since it isn’t smokeless. That’s why AIM-9L in my opinion would suffice.
I just thought that giving them AIM-9Ms would be more reasonable, but perhaps AIM-9M is too strong and wouldn’t make the gameplay asymmetrical enough.
Early gen 4s usually carry 4 IR missiles instead of 2, since they can’t carry anything else on these pylons anyway. That’s why U.S. planes could have only AIM-9Ls, because they can afford to lose some of them to flares.
Prove that A-10 can go 2000kph like F-4C in order to prove that it’s as-good.
Prove that the A-10s and Su-25Ks have high-telezoom targeting pods with AGM-65Gs/whatever the missile’s called on SM3.
Vikhrs on a plane are trash outside of air modes.
Harriers are already perfectly balanced in War Thunder. They’re not OP, and have never been OP, and they’re not underpowered and have never been underpowered.
Doesn’t matter, AIM-9G is a rear aspect missile.
R-27ER was never OP, it was as threatening as AIM-7F, and if you died to R-27ER you also died to AIM-7F just as much.
R-27ER wasn’t nerfed, it was correctly.
F-22 will come years after Su-57 and Typhoon Tranche 3+.
Mig-29s with R-73s are already in-game, you don’t need to ruin the 9.12 and 9.13.
We need F-16s with 9Ls, for variety.
Just as IMO we need an F-16 Block 1/5 with 9Js.
There is absolutely no reason for aircraft like the A-1A moving to 12.7, nor the AV-8s at 11.3