Game is unplayable for ground with Heli / CAS spam

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Panther2995

This game represents a fictional world war scenario where all nations trying to use their all avaliable vehicles, at least trying.

Sorry but if You are going to even start comparing WT to representation of battlefield, there is no point in discussion.

@Panther2995

İt is actually abuse just like how Heli players were abusing first spawn with insane unguided rockets, do i need to remind you that gaijin actually had to take actions for that?

Most situations you complained about actually happens at high tiers, especially helicopter situations, so you were actually reffering high tier gameplay.

Sorry but no.

I can spawn with F4U-4B, 2x 20mm (anti-tank belts), 2x 1000 lbs bombs and 4x hvar rockets by just capping a zone.

I can spawn AH-1F with 8x Tow-2 for just capping a zone.

There are many examples on which tactic of just capping a zone with reserve tank works.

@Panther2995

So what you’re basically saying is you dont have enough skills jump into air vehicles in order counter enemy planes or helicopters? Well well have the table turns, using your Logic it seems like tankers like you are also not good at certain sections in this game.

My stats on F4U-4B and Mi-28a says it all, but belive in what You want ;).

@Panther2995

For tanks only mode, im not against that idea since some people prefers different options compare to others but then again Gaijin clearly showing us they do intent to combine all forces into one thing, and that is so called “Combined Arms”.

Which doesn’t work and it can be seen by just playing the game.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Panther2995

So what you’re basically saying is you dont have enough skills jump into air vehicles in order counter enemy planes or helicopters?

Some people are generally not interested in aircraft, so playing that for prolonged periods of time wouldn’t be fun for them.

@Panther2995

but then again Gaijin clearly showing us they do intent to combine all forces into one thing

As long Air has a dedicated mode, Ground should as well, there’s no reason why this couldn’t happen.

[Panther2995]

@ULQ_LOVER

Sorry but if You are going to even start comparing WT to representation of battlefield, there is no point in discussion.

Why? Cause you cant accept the fact that many things happening in Warthunder area also happens in real battlefield?

Sure Warthunder lacks vital parts when it comes represent real battlefield but that doesnt mean its not too far away.

@ULQ_LOVER

Sorry but no.

I can spawn with F4U-4B, 2x 20mm (anti-tank belts), 2x 1000 lbs bombs and 4x hvar rockets by just capping a zone.

I can spawn AH-1F with 8x Tow-2 for just capping a zone.

There are many examples on which tactic of just capping a zone with reserve tank works.

By using reserve tanks i assume?

İf its not then Gaijin should take action about low and mid tier gameplay cause that is not a way to deserve fully loaded cas plane.

@ULQ_LOVER

My stats on F4U-4B and Mi-28a says it all, but belive in what You want ;).

Panther2995:

İ would like to see your actual performance against actual Sam systems and planes such as Pantsir and F-16C for example.

Also Mi-28A was such a busted helicopters back in the days when Gaijin decided to put into 9.7. İncluding myself, many players who owns Mi-28A actually abused that advantage alot, so its safe to say your Mi-28A stats doesnt mean shit actually :)

@ULQ_LOVER

Which doesn’t work and it can be seen by just playing the game.

Gaijin and many people actually thinks otherwise, just because certain percentage of community doesnt like the idea of combined arms doesnt actually means its a bad idea.

Although does it need rework in certain areas? Certainly.

[Panther2995]

@MotorolaCRO

Some people are generally not interested in aircraft, so playing that for prolonged periods of time wouldn’t be fun for them.

Panther2995:

İ believe i perfectly explained that im not against the idea of tanks only mode for certain people but then again im not the one you should try to convince.

@MotorolaCRO

As long Air has a dedicated mode, Ground should as well, there’s no reason why this couldn’t happen.

Same deal.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Panther2995

Why? Cause you cant accept the fact that many things happening in Warthunder area also happens in real battlefield?

Sure Warthunder lacks vital parts when it comes represent real battlefield but that doesnt mean its not too far away.

Because what happens in WarThunder would never happen irl.

@Panther2995

By using reserve tanks i assume?

İf its not then Gaijin should take action about low and mid tier gameplay cause that is not a way to deserve fully loaded cas plane.

But this is how things work.

@Panther2995

İ would like to see your actual performance against actual Sam systems and planes such as Pantsir and F-16C for example.

Also Mi-28A was such a busted helicopters back in the days when Gaijin decided to put into 9.7. İncluding myself, many players who owns Mi-28A actually abused that advantage alot, so its safe to say your Mi-28A stats doesnt mean shit actually :)

You can check my AH-1F stats ;)

@Panther2995

Gaijin and many people actually thinks otherwise, just because certain percentage of community doesnt like the idea of combined arms doesnt actually means its a bad idea.

For me it doesn’t work as there is no reason for uptier/downtier if a person who just caps zone can delete the best tank from the game without any issue.

@Panther2995

Same deal.

And that is where we agree.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Panther2995

Also Mi-28A was such a busted helicopters back in the days when Gaijin decided to put into 9.7.

Even at 10.7 it’s pretty busted, considering it can see 9.7/10.0 IR SPAAs that won’t even be able to fire back at it.

[_Mayday_Mayday_]

You are telling us that you have very good stats above the average and then you complain that it is unbalanced! What you say doesnt make any sense again!

[ULQ_LOVER]

It doesn’t make sense because You can’t read or just troll.

If I can’t defend against something via game desing, it means that that thing is unbalanced.

[MotorolaCRO]

I think someone with 62k battles can surely work around unbalanced stuff.
Though, this doesn’t mean there isn’t a problem.

[Panther2995]

@ULQ_LOVER

Because what happens in WarThunder would never happen irl.

Thats why its trying to simulate fantasy scenarios, not fully real ones.

@ULQ_LOVER

But this is how things work.

Sorry i didnt get it? You mean it works by using reserve tank or low-mid tier gameplay actually requires so little sp for fully loaded Cas plane.

@ULQ_LOVER

You can check my AH-1F stats ;)

Same thing again :) You need to do better then that.

@ULQ_LOVER

For me it doesn’t work as there is no reason for uptier/downtier if a person who just caps zone can delete the best tank from the game without any issue.

İf we assume there is no Spaa or Sam system to counter that player then Yes you’re right, but half of the time opposite situation happens.

@ULQ_LOVER

And that is where we agree.

Good to know then.

[Panther2995]

@MotorolaCRO

Even at 10.7 it’s pretty busted, considering it can see 9.7/10.0 IR SPAAs that won’t even be able to fire back at it.

Yes but no.

Starting with 10.3 it can and will be seein many Sam systems that can effectively engage with Mi-28A and considering the Russian counterpart that sits at 11.0 with Thermals, i say its pretty balanced compare to what it was used to be.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Panther2995

Thats why its trying to simulate fantasy scenarios, not fully real ones.

So it should also make some ‘fantasy’ in other places.

@Panther2995

Sorry i didnt get it? You mean it works by using reserve tank or low-mid tier gameplay actually requires so little sp for fully loaded Cas plane.

I say that at any B.R. really You can use reserve tank in order to get into plane by just capping a zone.

@Panther2995

İf we assume there is no Spaa or Sam system to counter that player then Yes you’re right, but half of the time opposite situation happens.

The non he-vt/rocket spaa is not as effective against air as with it. That is why on most B.Rs. planes can dominate without much of work.

[_Mayday_Mayday_]

If it was unbalanced against you then your stats would be below the average.

[ULQ_LOVER]

Sorry but if You can’t think then there is nothing I can do.

[Panther2995]

@ULQ_LOVER

So it should also make some ‘fantasy’ in other places.

İts up to Gaijin not to me.

@ULQ_LOVER

I say that at any B.R. really You can use reserve tank in order to get into plane by just capping a zone.

Which actually abusing a really old tactic that should’ve been removed long time ago.

@ULQ_LOVER

The non he-vt/rocket spaa is not as effective against air as with it. That is why on most B.Rs. planes can dominate without much of work.

Thats just Gaijin’s faults.

Even at WWII many spaas actually had access to He-Vt shells that can effectively engage with planes.

Should require rework for that case.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Panther2995

Should require rework for that case.

I’m really happy that we could find an agreement and talk in proper manner.

People want TO/option to play without CAS, because it is the most non invasive thing that Gaijin could do. All the times when gaijin tried to somehow ‘repair’ the balance, both sides (air and ground) was dissatisfied with the changes.

[USMC_Asemo75]

Look up the statistics, Air did not dominate the ground as people think.

[Panther2995]

@ULQ_LOVER

I’m really happy that we could find an agreement and talk in proper manner.

Same.

İ always like to have proper conversations about different opinions with other people, its even better if the opinion is reasonable and other person can see your point.

@ULQ_LOVER

People want TO/option to play without CAS, because it is the most non invasive thing that Gaijin could do. All the times when gaijin tried to somehow ‘repair’ the balance, both sides (air and ground) was dissatisfied with the changes.

Sadly this true.

Many times they did quite big mistakes and playerbase had to pay for the price.

[ULQ_LOVER]

And that is also true, that is why such argument makes me laugh even more.

[MotorolaCRO]

Still, only two BR brackets separate it from IR-based SPAAs that are basically worthless against it.
Although MI-28A isn’t the only offender, stuff like G-LYNX sit at even lower BR which is totally unfair to every 9.3 - 10.0 SPAA.