I haven’t bothered getting it because HVAP is not very good. The one shot capability of APHE combined with the Yaks good flight performance make it undertiered.
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HVAP has always been meta.
Yaks are not under-BR’d, and their flight performance with the 45mm gun is equivalent to other gun CAS while having worse anti-aircraft capability.
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I think you’re wasting your effort and breath. You’ve went into detail and showed quite clearly that the Russian APHE shells are pretty insane, especially on fighter planes that are themselves already very good in WT. And don’t really have an equivalent.
His response was basically accusing you of dishonesty/moving the goal post and going “No u”.
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This stats were supposed to show something?
And that talk about Yaks being bad as anti air? Amusing
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Because it’s the only thing that appeared on planes with good performance until the Yak got APHE.
That is just a lie. It’s gun is way better than anything with comparable flight performance at it’s BR.
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Tu-1 with APHE is pretty epic, literally onetapping any sherman tank easily. Turret roof and poof its gone.
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Got somehow got to offset T-80 becoming the next sherman
Oh yeah. It’s DEFINITELY just the Yak with APHE
You trade the 20mm anti-air gun for a 37 or 45 anti-tank gun, leaving you with 2x 50 cals.
It’s effectively a Dauntless as anti-air.
@Ion_Protogen
The ability to retain energy only matters for air to air, not air to ground.
Air to ground more relies on the ability to get nose on target.
I’ve been running yak-equivalent CAS since 2018.
Yak is not unique and will never be unique unless its equivalents are flat out removed from the game, not delisted, outright removed.
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I see.
Let us forget about Yak-9UT!
12.7mm is preatty capable ;)
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.50 Cals are okay, but rely on quantity of guns. 4 is good, 6 is ideal.
So again, nothing wrong with its capability to do anti air work ;)
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Me looking at the TIS MA I got in the snowglobes and seeing this post laughing myself to death.
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Soviet .50s pack a much harder punch than US .50s, having both a much higher fire chance and also being mounted in the nose, meaning no need to worry about convergence.
Feel free to try and experiment. Which hits harder, a P-38 without the 20mm or an F8F-1?
Absolutely not true, energy retention is critical for ground strike. Doing the vertical loops required for repeated CAS runs (especially as needed for gun CAS) is intensely wasteful on energy. Better energy retention means you’re more easily able to continue to do runs, rather than having to reset. Having more speed also makes it harder for you to be intercepted by CAS or SPAA.
Don’t believe me? Try running an IL-2 for CAS. You have to take exceptionally long runs to preserve your energy, and if you don’t (or even think about making a vertical loop), you’re completely out of energy and forced to make slow, low angle runs that make you a sitting duck for CAP, SPAA, or even aware tank players. Same principle holds true for almost all other gun CAS, barring the 50mm 262. Meanwhile, the Yak-9K can just keep doing vertical loops over and over again with little energy lost.
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If you use the Pzgr.40 HVAP on the Bk 5 instead of Pzgr.39, then i cant give your opinion any worth.
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I moved no goalposts. The 9K is the ONLY single engine fighter at its BR with a large, centerline cannon with powerful APHE rounds.
They don’t. The P-63s are the only american planes (that fit the above requirements) with a 37mm cannon, which is UNQUESTIONABLY worse than the 45mm. Britain’s uses solid shot, with much lower rate of fire, and it’s not even centerline mounted.
Believe it or not, twin engine heavy fighters are NOT comparable to one of the lightest and smallest single engine fighters. That’s the whole point of this comparison - a Hs 129 or Ki-109 are NOT counterparts, no matter how much certain repliers in this thread want to pretend so.
Okay, then name another single engine prop fighter with a centerline mounted cannon of 45+/-10mm in caliber that also fires APHE.
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-a twin engine boat
-a twin engine boat that BARELY flies
-a 6.3
-the 9K, a 4.3 that can favorably out-dogfight enemy fighters at its BR unlike all 3 aircraft shown above, and can still go kill tanks afterwards
Japan does just fine with two .50cals in a lot of their fighters. Berezins ALSO have an extremely potent IAI belt:
Taking longer to kill a fighter is still much, MUCH better than the other “big gun attackers” that are easy free kills.
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Largely the same for the Hs 129s, except they’re even more underpowered. And unlike the IL-2s, they cannot boast an impressive turn time to surprise an unaware opponent.
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I just wonder the Vickers P could have APHE in fact, because all of 47MM guns have APHE, except the that.
For gun CAS? HVAP is only used on gun CAS if it is the only thing that can penetrate. If APHE can penetrate, even if you have to work more at it, then that is always preferable.
I also do not see how you can claim that the Yak-9k, a fighter, has inferior anti-air abilities compared to a large, heavy, twin engine aircraft like a Me 410.
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