@WolfgangTheSecon
Ammo is more accurate from aircraft the faster it is for some reason.
Whether its on a per-ammo basis or velocity base, that makes HVAP inherently superior when you have 240 rounds on a rather maneuverable airframe like Me 410.
Me 410 also has superior anti-air guns to Yak, and you claim that Yak is inferior in airframe performance… lol Yeah, your post is null and void.
1v1 me in your Me 410, I’ll grab any Yak and whip you.
Just cause Me 410 is really good as a heavy fighter doesn’t mean it’s meta at anything other than CAS.
I claim that the Yak has superior airframe performance. Naturally, if you and I were to fight with the Yak and Me 410 you’d whip me, because the Yak would win every time. The problem of this situation is that the Yak is too good for it’s BR, so I don’t know why you’re acting like we’re saying the Yak is bad, considering that line of reason directly damages your side of the argument.
I don’t think anyone has said the Me 410 is particularly good in air to air. Workable, but that’s not been part of the conversation. We’ve been saying it pays for its CAS ability by being poor in air to air, wheareas the Yak suffers no disadvantage for that.
As to the guns, the cannons are better than .50 cals, but not to the degree that you wouldn’t be better off with a better airframe instead.
Honestly, on something as big and heavy as the Me-410, I might actually prefer the .50s. I’d have to try it out and see, but the combination of a large and sluggish airframe plus the low velocity of the MG151s makes it rather tricky to aim, and limits your range quite heavily.
Since you typically get a smaller window of time to hit things, due to your target being able to instantly outpull you the second they notice you, I expect I’d prefer the weapon that can hit at longer ranges more consistently.
I agree. On most things I do prefer cannons to .50 cals, but the MG 151 more difficult to use than most other cannons, to the extent I’d say they aren’t an advantage over .50 cals on most aircraft. They’re worse for dogfights and better for BnZ.
I’d say that what makes the MG151s good is the aircraft they’re on more of less counter their weakness in range. Bf109s and Fw190s excel at energy fighting, meaning the aircraft they’re targetting are almost always slow and flying in predictable, easy to intercept paths. This makes the relative difficulty in aiming much less relevant, and allows it’s incredible damage to shine (Although the difference in damage isn’t nearly as great as it once was).
But put those guns on something that can’t energy trap opponents, and they become more of a detriment than an advantage. Sure, anything you hit with them will usually die, and with a lot fewer rounds than a .50 cal. But it’s a pretty sizable struggle to pull the deflection you need to lead them in a merge, they’re a liability in tail chases where your opponent is faster than you, and they’re not great in headons if you lack the ability to quickly pull out of the way.
Basically, they’re a solid option for aircraft that can cover for their primary disadvantage, but a serious detriment for those that can’t.
Airframe performance matters less when doing anti-ground runs.
See Tornado vs Typhoon. Both are GBU buses, it matters not that the Typhoon can out-dogfight everyone, it only matters if the Tornado doesn’t face plant.
Airframe performance is quite literally what makes the Yak-9K so OP. It is able to always do vertical runs against tanks, compared to other CAS which cant.
So Me-410 is OP by your own argument, not your words, your rationale.
Either acknowledge them all, or you’re clearly fanboying over a specific country’s equipment.
I claim the same for the me262 with the 50mm. I was flying my “boat” of a TU-1 and a very terrible player flying an me262 shot like 15 rounds at me trying to kill me. And one hit blew me in half.
I couldn’t out run him, or out turn him. And my inferior defensive machine guns were only “hitting” him. (Yes I was manually controlling it).
Meanwhile, in my XA-38 vs the Yak, I have a good chance to out run it, and possibly light it on fire. Not to mention I can drop my x4 500 lb bombs to get him off my tail.
Yes, that is what happens when you meet another attacker a full BR above yours. You usually lose.
Only if you already started near your top speed, which is almost impossible to do if ground attacking. 9K has much greater acceleration and can keep you away from the battlefield indefinitely by simply not allowing you to fly back in, because it is a fighter. You can’t turn against him because he is a fighter. You can’t outclimb him because he is a fighter.
What’s weird, is with my bombs, and cannons in my boat I was able to score 6 kills. What’s weird is the other day I played the XA, and scored 7 kills with the bombs and cannons.
The XA gets the unusually strong option for the tier of 4 individual bomb drops, while still retaining reasonable flight performance. The only other one that comes close is the massively slept on P-61, which gets larger bombs and a cluster of 20mms for strafing, at the cost of worse flight performance.
However, they have this capability at the cost of a massively larger profile and worse retention, meaning they’re relatively easy for SPAA or CAP to intecerpt and destroy.
The Yak-9K can kill that many or more in a single flyout with good trigger discipline, while being a tiny fast target which can outdogfight most other common planes in the air and is a fairly tricky target for SPAA too. The kills they can manage is far more consistent, and not reliant on being left entirely alone in the air.
The first two should probably go up in BR as well, but the XA is a somewhat uncommon premium and the P-61 is enormously slept on so the problem isn’t as apparent as with the Yak. There are a lot of lower tier CAS that weren’t touched when they did the BR split between air and ground, they mostly focused on the really egregious examples at the higher tiers like the A-4E. There’s a lot of CAS that’s pretty laughably strong at the lower tiers at the moment (The F6F having 3 individual 1000 lbs bombs, 4 HVARs, 6 .50s and competant flight performance at 3.3 is hysterical)
