How is the Turm III still at 8.3? It has one of the best guns at the BR, great mobility, and a lineup that just stomps everything it sees, yet Gaijin leaves it untouched while it farms entire teams. And don’t say ‘but it has no armor’ — neither does half the stuff it’s clubbing. It makes no sense that this thing is allowed to sit there.
Also, let’s not forget the AMX-32, which got bumped from 9.3 to 9.7 just because it has slightly better pen than the AMX-32 (105), meanwhile the T-64 at the same BR has way more armor and way more mm of pen and that’s somehow fine? Where’s the consistency?
And here’s the kicker — the Type 90 got uptiered just because players were cracked in it, so Gaijin decided to punish the tank. But the Turm III? Nope, that one stays low because they know if they uptier it, fewer people will buy it. Classic Gaijin logic: punish some tanks because of player stats, but protect the moneymakers no matter how broken they are.
The Turm is undertiered, yes. But if you’re attempting to say it’s even close to equivalent to the AMX-32, you’re insane or completely uninformed. It can be killed by a machine gun. It has a 105mm with no darts. It has neither LRF (no rangefinder at all, actually) nor thermals. It’s two tonnes heavier and lacks a reverse gearbox.
If the T-64B is too strong why don’t we bump it up?
Nobody’s saying the Turm III is literally on par with the AMX-32 in terms of tech . That’s not the point. The point is BR balance. At 8.3 the Turm is still massively overtuned for what it fights. Its gun and mobility. Meanwhile, Gaijin uptiers the AMX-32 by 0.4 BR just for a slight pen difference, while other vehicles like the T-64B sit with way more armor and way more pen at the same BR. The issue isn’t ‘Turm vs AMX tech specs,’ it’s Gaijin’s inconsistent logic when adjusting BRs. If they can uptier the Type 90 because players perform too well in it, why not the Turm III when the same thing is happening? That’s the problem.
And for ur Lineup u have
Turm III
Gepard
DF 105
RakJPz 2 HOT
and for Air support
Ar 234
F84
which alone is more then enough for simply stomping the enemies
So a premium MBT
A decent but unremarkable SPAA
Unstabilized 8.0 HEAT launching TD (that France also has)
Poor ATGM carrier with low penetration, only one ATGM RTF, low range, and poor survivability
WWII bomber
Plane almost every nation has
No armour
No IFV
No light tank
That fact is that Germany has possibly the worst 8.3 lineup of any nation
Turm III could go easily higher in battle rating with no issues but comparing to a vastly superior vehicle is something else. Both do have decent firepower, while Turm III excels in punching faces it can’t take the hit in return while the AMX-32 have some armor to sustain small caliber autocannons. This battle rating change recently was just moving some vehicles, it wasn’t a decompression, so mentioning the T-64B has no sense since it wasn’t moved and probably won’t be moved for another long period of time.
Type 90 and variations has been moved to a higher battle rating because it can face its battle rating bracket with no issues at all, it has almost double reload speed than Turm III, better mobility and armor. I’ve had great matches in the Type 90 at high tier matches with no issues. To be honest I agree, Gaijin may be or is at the moment protecting ‘moneymaking’ vehicles from battle rating changes, but since it wasn’t a gamemode decompression, you shouldn’t had expected much since most battle rating changes when isn’t a decompression are rather questionable and has little to no effect in the game overall.
Haven’t we discussed this topic about 50 times over the last few weeks? It’s still 8.3 because its terrible melty turret requires a certain skill level to avoid being melted, so for any good Turms III user - there are many more who just get machine gunned or autocannoned by the bazillion autocannon spammers at those BR.
Pretty sure Spookston made a video on the ZA-35 which is a Gepard equivalent minus the APDS belt at 10.0 and got a nuke with it iirc - and multiple times. The Gepard itself and all other 35mm firing SPAAs do a ridiculous amount of damage, their APHE do more damage than some tank guns as well lmao.
No IFV, no light tank
You don’t need every damn class of vehicles to have a good lineup, German mains me when lineup not powerful enough.
That fact is that Germany has possibly the worst 8.3 lineup of any nation
Are we going to forget about Italy and China which both have respectively 2 and 3 ground vehicles at the BR of 8.3 🤣 actual ragebait
The AMX32 going to 9.7 is really a head scratcher. The tank isn’t great. 20mm is useless (like all previous coax 20mms) due to hvap shell shattering and horrific postpen. The gun is average, the mobility is bad. Why the upteir? There are plenty of 9.3s that are better. I’ll take a ZTZ96 over it ANY day.
8.7, much more mobile, and has LRF. The Gepard also only has 40 APDS rounds per gun. And that’s ignoring all the other 35mm SPAA at the BR, almost all of which are superior to the Gepard.
No stabilized MBT, no light tank, no decent armour, and no IFV. That’s pretty lacking for
And Germany has four, only three tech tree. Plus Italy and China both have infinitely better 8.0 support!
Let me get this straight. You’re defending the BR of the Turm III, which is a Leopard/Falcon Hybrid 0.3 BR higher than the Leopard 1, despite being duel plane stabilized with a coaxial of one of the deadliest autocannons at that BR. The TURM III is better than the Leopard A1A1, a 9.0 vehicle.