US, the worlds largest exporter of weapons. A nation known for going out of their way to make sure other nations cant export their own weapons wherever possible (Like ASRAAM block 1 being export restricted because it used a few US parts and they didnt want people buying it)
Of course everyone usually ends up using their stuff.
Every nation sells their old military vehicles. It’s not unique to the US. The US just happens to have the largest military in the world, so it happens more.
We could give Israel an arab sub tree with all the older russian vehicles.
But basically every nation ended up using F-86s, F-4s and F-16s because they were sold cheap or other options made hard to get.
And the Leo 2s are some of the most widely exported and used tanks in Europe. So of course everyone ends up getting one.
My point is not “oh poor US”, and more “it happens rough luck”. It’s inevitable that other nations end up with US gear- as it is inevitable that other nations end up with German gear. So.
Yes I hate copy paste, and yes I don’t want more of it. But ultimately I can’t stop it and I know that. And in all honesty, it’s kind of Refreshing to see the US not being the one getting its tanks copy pasted everywhere for once.
Yep that is the case.
Kinda like how a lot of nations bought Hawker Hunters like Switzerland, and now Germany has the best Hawker Hunter and 2/3 of Britain’s are almost unplayable currently and the other third is not doing that hot.
Yeah not really the same at all. Britain is also perfectly fine currently aside from a few issues at top tier.
German mains like to complain that they dont have the best Leopard. So its similar.
UK needs half of its vehicles deleted and totally remodeled from scratch. But that wont ever happen. But it is nice that Britain is finally getting an IFV equal to the PUMA. Only taken 2 years
Didn’t they do something similiar when they were competing with Sweden for a country to use their jets?
I would not be surprised. I think they tried to get the Eurofighter programme scrapped as well. Like they kept offering the UK and Germany aircraft like the F-15. (I think the UK may have even been offered the F-22)
not true the Tornado F3 Late (FSU) will be also at 12.7 but is far less manoeuvrable they both should be moved to 12.3 honestly
I guess the 2A5, 2A6, PSO and PL all no longer exist and aren’t effective anymore which really fucks italy with their Arietes
its only been 2 years, if I wanted to be spiteful I could say wait another 3 (like the UK did only just now getting the desert warrior) but I wont hopefully it comes soon
its funny because we could block a lot of use wepons as well like the ASRAAM (since its better then the 9X) and the F35 (uses a british engine)
really nice example with the F-4J
You know what’s even better? Having a Phantom that is to all intents and purposes an F-4J but shorter range BVRAAMs… and then having that same aircraft when America got its neat little upgrade called the F-14… and then not getting a certain missile truck that might’ve given the F-14 a run for its money.
But hey, who am I to say that British air suffers. On the bright side we have a couple of platforms that will upset people no end because well… they’re pretty lethal.
We ignore ground because British Top Tier there is a write off: we get a worse ADATs because no gun, we get Chally 2s with a gaping big weakspot…
And Naval no one plays so it doesn’t matter (still not modelling any of the radars properly I see Gaijin)
In summary, America clearly suffers more, AIM-9X when
The long and short with the EF program is for whatever reason the Germans were fascinated with a radar (name escapes me, MSD2000?) which was worse than ECR-90. No one is actually entirely clear on why the Germans wanted to use it (other than supposed compatibility with the F-4s they still had) but basically the only group who would gain from it (obviously) was Hughes… an American group. And American export controls would’ve basically handed a huge lever on where EF could or could not be exported to. Which was an economic interest given how many people have or have not bought EFT. Unsurprisingly every other government (the UK with some gentle persuasion by Ferranti) kicked back and stuck with ECR-90.
The danger with going to MSD2000 is it would’ve meant that the EFT didn’t perform as well as it should’ve and while it wouldn’t have caused it outright cancellation, exporting EFT would’ve been nigh on impossible.
Maybe even ended up having export restrictions as well. meaning stuff like the Saudi purchase may have not have happened
Almost certainly would have. Saudis had bought F-15s because they lacked something European that did the job, and they would’ve bought American again had they not had the choice.
Yeah, hence why
The F-14A was introduced earlier than it should have been. Gaijin just wanted to profit off of the Top Gun movie release.
The trade off of the ADATS is that you can actually see where you are firing if it is above 59 degrees since your Gun sight isn’t attached to your gun.
M1s have the turret ring issue, where 88mms can pen them. Not its the same- I recognize that the Challys are way worse off- but it’s not like it doesn’t exist.
That’s not what I want, nor is that what I am suggesting, and I think you are well aware of that. You are intentionally being a prick for no good reason, other than because I said something you don’t agree with. You all complain about Britain and then when no one supports you, you wonder why: perhaps the attitude may be causing people to not want to support your needs or wants.
I’m that modem, yes. The Swiss Hunter quite frankly should have gone British; complaining that a better hunter is in Germany is not my complaint as is why is it there in the first place, especially given the common standard set by the Class 3 or C2A1 or now the Leo 2A4M.
Although they still very much do in my honest opinion have the best leopard since the round is that much better (which matters, make no mistake). Aside from the gaping armor issues which every tank that isn’t Russian suffers from at that BR, it’s by far and large the preferred vehicle for the armor.
And why I said it’s not close is because German vehicles have the problem of export. British vehicles have the problem of either being poorly modelled or simply excelling at something that in this game is not Meta.
The Saberdog was Canadian(correction, I looked this up I am wrong about this), and we had no equal. also is it so hard to imagine other countries using these vehicles long after we phased them out? The F-86H was the last variant comparable to the speed of an MIG-17, which was retired in 1958 with the Air National Guard retiring it in 1972.
The only variants were the M8E1 & M20 Utility. We had no variant to this “LAC” which isn’t a proper designation.
We retired our F-104 in 1958 so no we wouldn’t have an equal to that either since other countries kept it in service decades after we retired ours.
For the F-15J. the US equal is the F-15C/D.
And with the Leo 2’s it makes sense to a degree, but doesn’t mean Germany can’t have better versions of their own tank when Sweden has gotten better versions 3-4 years prior, or to go out of your way so absurdly far just to give Sweden a King Tiger, and now this absurd addition of the Benelux and especially the Netherlands that is literally part of the German Bundeswehr and give it to France, who to my knowledge does not operate Leopard 2’s at all.
What about the fact that the best A-4 in game is Israeli? Even though the US used the A-4M. Or the fact that Gaijin went out of their way to give France an F-16 with BeNeLux?
Regardless of if it’s a fair ask or not, it has happened multiple times to other nations before. It is not something that has not happened. It is unfortunate, but when that is what a nation has and/or what a nation needs, there isn’t much that can be done about it.
And why did we not get it?
As you said, this is wrong. The US should have received an F-86H or D long ago.
Yes, I am aware that other nations used them long after we chased them out, however we are still lacking the vehicles we used. We had Sabres with Aim-9Bs. Yet we don’t get them? Because why should we.
And yes for the F-15J the equal is the C, which we are now getting… An update after the Japanese received it. Because we couldn’t get it in the first place, no no.
Clearly, stuff like this happens. Germany is not alone nor an exception. It can suck sometimes, but as these are words I have received many times throughout the years- “just suck it up”. That is all you can do.