Gaijin (as usual) not listening to feedback (RP Loss)

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Clearly I’m just a very well disguised dev ))))

Seriously, don’t mind him. He can be best compared to one of those annoying siblings.

Seriously he tried to tell me, the 4.3 SKR got moved up in BR in the previous changes, then it became “at some point” (it was 4.3 on release, and has never been moved), then tried to tell me the RBU-6000 had a range of 1.5km (it’s 6000m, like the name suggests) then deleted all his comments lol.

He’s a good laugh, but I wouldn’t worry.

Anyway, back on topic:

I’m not sure whether to be horrified or impressed. I’m guessing it was bug reported on the old forum and archived?

Which, I will be fair, is perfectly understandable, considering there’s more than one thread on this. However my counterpoint would be, “the more threads and posts exist on the issue, the more incentive there is for Devs to notice and do something” (though 7 years is an awful long time to do nothing!)

Thanks for the plug. Was wondering if there was another post like this!

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@Firestarter claiming that those that critique War Thunder are bad things… -_-
Apparently me saying SKR-7 is 4.3 and stating the effective [accurate] range of RBU-6000 along with its maximum range of ~5500 meters is wrong.

Keep demeaning everyone that criticizes War Thunder, all that does is protect War Thunder from criticism.

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I wonder if the bug itself is just weirdly complex or nearly impossible to fix without redoing a bunch of essential code. They’ve definitely known about it for a long time, but I am skeptical about it not being fixed is malicious.

@Firestarter There are 8 year old Reddit posts talking about the bug, so it’s been around for a long time.

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Wait you really tought Gaijin is taking a second of their time to come here and read what community feels like or want to see??? hahahahahhahahahha
To be fair after what I saw here, how people talk, think of them selves Im not suprised Gaijin is not wasting a nanosecond in here.

Game is good, comunity is garabage.
If you wanna change something use Support hopefully you can change something.

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I mean, I’d like to think it isn’t malice, but the near complete radio silence on it makes little to no sense. A transparent, community orientated game dev might at some point say “hey, we’ve identified a bug with the game, we’re struggling to identify a fix, please bear with” at some point - it might even be the case that that has happened at some point, and someone in the know needs to trot out a link to aforementioned statement. (Alternatively, I could go snooping, but it could be anywhere on the old forum, an old Q&A video or post, and that would/will take some considerable time)

It being 7 to 8 years old seems pretty naff.

I feel like that’s a bit unfair. Sure, there are some members of the community that, on balance, aren’t that great, but calling the community outright garbage seems a bit excessive.

This be the problem - there’s been a bug report active and acknowledged for 3 years on the CBR ( Not recieving XP for modules when playing games in quick order // Gaijin.net // Issues), relating to this exact issue. My thoughts behind this post is bringing it back (and keeping it) in the minds and eyes of people - the more people interact with content about this particular bug, the more incentive there is for Gaijin to fix it.

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I JUST got an answer from Smin!!!

I think this is the only (?) answer we have gotten on this bug in several years. So now we at least know that its even being looked at at all.

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Being acknowledged is far better than nothing. Thanks for asking and dropping the reply in here.

Guess all we can do is sit tight, and keep the pressure applied.

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I think there should definitely be a better system of communication in place between the player base and the devs… it is difficult to gauge what is being listened to, ignored, or forgotten when bug reporting in general. Us Baz Meshupar players were pretty much ghosted for a month in response to the lack of TWS/HMD complaints until the snail mercifully blessed us with a patch.
It’s obvious running a forum like this is chaotic and complex, and there is no perfect solution available for directing feedback to and from the players and developers. I also appreciate all the work moderation has done so far to that end. I also think the way that bug reports being shown as community discovered and prompted in devblogs and patch notes is a great step in the right direction.
That being said
Even if it probably is not intentional, leaving such a significant bug as research just vanishing for (aproximately) 7 years virtually ignored reads like a major lack of respect for the playerbase on gaijin’s part. When problems like this appear (and they do very often) and get unrepresented it drives a wedge between both parties. Some serious changes need to be made or at least brought up into public discussion if Gaijin wants to avoid a second coming of the big red line on the steam review page.

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Hard to find lol
I can point straight away 3 places where to look on top of my head. Account verification code, Battle result code, Code that ties Battle result with Account status/verification or in other words code that ties game client to the user databases. This is where any competent programmer would look first.

Wow so hard to find. Yeah if your code was written like a mess where everything holds by hopes and dreams of employees going home and seeing their familes for once then sure and if you want to look in the first place.

Bugs are not some “Oh it is so hard to find that bug oh I wonder where it is” most bugs if code is well structured are easy to find. Programmer will know exactly where to look. Everything will have clear label. Fixing might take some work or trial and error but it wont take 7 years. Here it would be as simple as add queue reward system or simple check.

It was proven times and times again Warthunder code is just a mess. If it was not, Gajin would not break stuff that was not broken patch before. Every single patch adds bugs in places that do not make sense because they should not been touched based on patch notes.

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To be fair, this is all running off the back of a foundation laid 11 years ago which hadn’t (at least probably was not) ever intended to reach this level of feature creep…messy code is an understatement what is probably a pit of despair that has been stretched far beyond its limit

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It’s so stupid that Gaijin are still looking into this after so many years. Bugs that increase the grind get ignored but the second there’s a bug that decreases the grind it’s fixed immediately (think faster respawning air rb bases).

I’ve probably lost enough mod rp to spade a top tier aircraft.

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I must admit, aside from ones such as the A-4E crashing everyone’s game and so on, I don’t see what’s “more important”

I’m still confused as to how and why they didn’t notice that was a “Bug” for so long. More to the point, could they not have left it as it was?

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You are looking at this from your perspective. Beside the content creator who made a video on this bug a few days ago, how many other content creators actually talked about this bug in the last 10 years?

On the forum (old and new) I saw literally a few topics about this bug and in every topic you have a very few posts. So even the community doesn’t really care too much about this issue.

Look how many posts you can find in the topic about the next update. Or how many posts you see in topics about specific vehicle suggestion. Most players care more about adding the new vehicle than fixing an old bug.

For the devs it works the same way. New tech-tree vehicles attract attention, new premiums mean greater profits. Fixing old bug means waste of time (time costs money).

One of the most important community issues atm is the underperforming Sholef. And it’s clearly also an important issue for Gaijin, because they even mentioned this in the latest CM Covert Disclosures. Players paid for the vehicle that is too weak currently. These are the real problems with the game.

Because they sometimes use bug fixes to their advantage.

For example, when they added battle passes, some challenges were easy to complete because your awards progress could continue after respawning. It was working like that since the beginning of the awards, and the description even suggested that’s how it should work.

To make challenges harder, they changed it so when you die your award series also finishes, and for the next vehicle it will count from zero. So this change not only reduced the SL gains (awards give players SL), but also made challenges harder to complete. It also made leaving after 1 death more reasonable than spawning again with a weaker vehicle, if your goal is to complete the challenge quickly. And almost all players ignored this change, because it was a bug fix after all.

What would you prefer to write in the changelog, if you were a dev:

  • we reduced SL rewards, made challenges harder by changing how awards are counted
  • we fixed a bug with how awards are counted

The funniest thing about this bug fix is, they actually changed the texts inside the game. For example, the old description of the Professional award was “Reward for destroying 5 vehicles in a single match”. The new description is “Reward for destroying 5 vehicles without losing your own”. So this “bug” also included wrong texts inside the game and on the official wiki.

Only a few players noticed this change and talked about it. Most players were just happy about the new vehicles added in the same update. That’s just how bug fixes works sometimes. It’s much easier for them to nerf things this way. And it clearly works, because today hardly anyone remembers this change in awards, it was implemented almost unnoticed during the major update.

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I mean you have people talking about historically accurate and then you just have to look at Germany WW2 planes and tanks and they are all historically inacurate. (But thats more because of people irrelevant feelings about something that has nothing to do with them today)
Then you have people that play this game loooooong time saying J35XS is good at 11.7, just garbage
Then you have people asking for 10kg to be added to fuel tank because they found some manual, again waste of anyones time
Then you have people that wanna remove premium vehicles or limit them on who can buy it, craaaaaazy
Then you have people just trolling on purpoose just to kill your thread, garbage

Again game is good (solid) needs work ofc, thats normal, maybe first make good BR ranks, then make other countrys competitive to USA top tire and fix the bugs and then game will be perfect. And community needs to start supporting eachoter otherwise this game will never change as we can see throughout all these years.

Also let me say this since this last update WarThunder is absolute garbage on console, like challanges are done but need to wait until whole game is finished to count it, RP for vehicles is being added then subtracted, game modes mixed up I start realistic it puts me in Arcade, Achivements all locked also not counting progression correctly, binonaculars, all settings are reseted everytime there is update… this is just not it, devs need to step up or they need to hire new people who are willing to push to make this game palyable after “BIG UPDATE”

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As far as I can tell this bug has been around for maybe 10 years - as I can find threads on the relevant forums for this bug that were issued in 2014
Of course gaijin doesn’t want to fix this bug because they want players to get as little rp and sl as possible
And I don’t think players care, no one is going to pressure gaijin to fix this bug

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This is exactly it - it’s complex could mean it’d take more work than it’s worth, not that they don’t know what it is. The work needed to resolve an issue which only helps people who are speed running through their game anyway.

Remember this only happens if you leave a game, enter a new game and the new game ends before the previous game you were in ends… that’s pretty niche.

The other example of the issue with Naval seems like a higher priority (though not having played Navel at all, I have no idea what you’re even talking about or how impactful it is).

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any progress?

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Not many left that play this game have common sense.

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when do the review bombs happen

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I think it’s intentional (even if they say it’s a bug…). And I think the intent behind it is to mitigate people playing rapidfire back to back to back to back to back ad nauseum matches to reap small but fast RP in less time; since stretching out the player’s grind is part and parcel of running a monetized F2P game.

They claim it’s a bug because Gaijin has always weirdly had a huge hangup over just being upfront about their obvious frustration/pace management mechanics; and I say weirdly because we all know it’s an F2P game and it should just be expected. But instead, they make things needlessly murky and contentious by claiming some things are other things, and other things are not a thing, and a bug isn’t a bug, and a mechanic IS a bug when it isn’t, etc. etc. etc…

If they were just a bit more transparent, and I daresay TRUTHFUL there’d be a lot less frustration or second guessing or questioning them.