G.91 pre-serie in Naval RB:
The G.91 pre-serie was moved to 9.3 in Naval with all other G.91 under the pretense that all G.91 get AS Nords. However, the G.91 pre-serie gets at best 500lb bombs. I would really like to bring my G.91 pre-serie into my 8.3 Naval lineup for CAP, but it’s not possible right now.
G.91 R/1 in Air RB:
Compared to other G.91s at 8.7, the G.91 R/1 has no advantage. It gets two AA-Nords, but the R/4 can bring four of either the Nords or AIM-9Bs. The G.91 R/3 gets significantly better guns (DEFAs, like found on the Y/YS). It also must be mentioned that when using Nords, the plane is limited to just two .50 cals. It is only very slightly better than the G.91 pre-serie in flight performance, with a roughly 3% increase in engine power. There are plenty of examples (Including with the G.91Y/YS) where the addition of AIM-9Bs-esque missiles increase the BR of the same vehicle without (MiG-17AS, Dutch Hunter F.6, and the F-104C is a higher BR for just going from 2 to 4 missiles). The MB.452 IIA and IIC is also an example of the guns raising the BR, and that’s from 20mm to 30mm.
G.91YS in Air RB:
This one only makes sense if the G.91 is not moved down. If the G.91 R/4 can stay at the same BR in Air RB with 4 AIM-9Bs as the G.91 R/1 with none, than the G.91YS which only has two AIM-9Bs over the G.91Y should not be higher. This is especially considering that the G.91YS can see the MiG-21SMT and A-10A in a full up tier. The ballistic computer is the only other advantage it has, which is near-useless in Air RB (at least at 9.3 as a stand-out feature). The aircraft is identical otherwise.
For the last two, I think these a remnants of the time where BRs were shared between all realistic modes, as yes, the two aircraft make sense to be at that BR in ground realistic. I think Gaijin just probably looked over them when making the BR split change.
All Ginas are very good at defensive flying because of their superior rollrate. I know some very good players deactivated the hydraulic module because of the very high rollrate.
Italy always was a small nation with extraordinary planes in the past, many average players skip italy because most italian props overheated very fast. So the average italian player in higher BRs are much more skilled.
GJN’s balancing is based on success (rewards). With the fact that the average italian player is more skilled it’s logic they will have more success. For me it was even more a surprise the CL-13 Mk.4 went down to 8.0.
the 2 R/4 are low in BR because they are premium. Way more beginners, less rewards on average.
I think it might be its speed, rather than anything to do with loadout. Quite a few jets got moved up to 9.3 in NRB, and the only thing they really have in common is that they are on the upper end of subsonic. I.E the Scimitar got similarly blocked
i think speed is not the reason,the true reason might be their range because they have guided weapons or CCIP.
But that makes no sense because those jets looks can’t kill any top tier BBs cuz their low explosive mass
Edit:by the way gaijin forgot to ban J22M1,at least forgot to ban it in NAB
Indeed, they did so because they cannot dare afford the “battlewhales” in their Iowas, Yamatos, Bismarcks, Soyuzes, and others dying to jet bombers too fast for the AI-guided AAA to easily track.
Even though Naval is still a dying game mode regardless.
Played the prototype one recently and while not a large amount, it felt decent at everything besides firepower taking a little longer to kill someone with shots than the average plane.
Y should stay where it’s at in my opinion. It turns worse at medium speeds but way better acceleration and climb
YS definitely deserves same rating as base y, 2 aim9b upgrade from 2 nord but same engine isn’t enough to make it too good for its rating
The machine gun equipped ones have 4 while the aden equipped ones only have 2, so I think the firepower is close enough to be considered a huge factor in all of this
I’m more for just making the premium r4 one 9 even if it’s a little subpar there rather than moving the prototype and no missile 8.7 ones down. If I remember right some of those no 9b ones can carry 2 aa20, but at the same time that requires removing some your cannons, which truly is a sidegrade loadout
Y and YS are perfectly fine, the new engines they received give them a lot of energy to play with. The problem is the BR of the tech tree G.91Rs and Pre-serie.
MiG-15 and F-86A-5 are 8.0 RB; MiG-15Bis and F-86F-25/30/35 are 8.3.
G.91R/1 with four .50s is… 8.7?? Pre-serie is 8.3?? R/3 I can almost see the argument for, but it’s not like two DEFAs are unheard of for this BR. Not when seemingly all the british options around here have two or four ADENs.
R/4s are just fine where they are. The issue is the non-missile equipped R models also being 8.7, one step above 15Bis and F Sabres for no apparent reason. They even have two less guns, with the same ammo per gun as the Sabres.
And nobody’s seriously using the Nords for air to air.
Ive used AGM-12s in A2A a few times, not to kill a target, but trick them into thinking ive fired a missile at them and then they try to kinematically defend, which then puts them into a weakspot for either an actual missile or guns.
What you said was mostly my point, the no missile ones should not be the same rating. If the stat graph website is to be trusted, it seems the R ones have much less of a performance increase from the prototype one than I thought lol. I assumed it was like the f86 and mig’s from 8.0->8.3 that get a noticable engine boost.
So sure, leave the 4 missile one at 8.7. However I still think the prototype one is somewhat competent at 8.3 cause unlike the migs it can actually roll, while still being pretty fast and good at turning. Wouldn’t be the most broken thing ever if it was lowered in rating though, so whatever works