Further Navy RB Decompression

Dev Server "Leviathans" General Discussion - Dev Server
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Should these changes be implemented?

  • Yes, Implement these changes
  • Yes, but only some of these changes (Comment what you’d have different)
  • No, I’d want to see different changes (Comment what you’d have instead)
  • No, keep the incoming BRs as is
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Greetings to those few who play navy battles! If you’re like me, then you were pleasantly surprised when the devstream happened and saw that the new maximum BR was moving from 7.0 to 8.7, as far as I’m aware one of, if not the largest max BR increases War Thunder has seen. With this new BR cap, we had multiple ships receive an increase in BR on the devserver:

I believe this presents an extremely rare opportunity to see sizeable decompression in the current top BR of navy to allow more space to breathe for the 6.0 cruisers and 6.3-6.7 dreadnoughts. I’m quite surprised this hasn’t been discussed further, so I thought I’d share my ideas on some more BR changes to try and get this discussion started!

First I’d like to start with the changes I would like to see, these will be based on the current BRs on the devserver (as of June 3rd), and then after that I’ll list changes that I think could be debated but wouldn’t be as cut and dry as the first set

USA

North Dakota: 6.0 → 6.3
Arizona: 6.7 → 7.0
Mississippi: 7.0 → 7.3
Colorado: 7.3 → 7.7

Germany

Westfalen: 6.0 → 6.3
Nassau: 6.0 → 6.3
Von der Tann: 6.0 → 6.3
Scharnhorst: 7.3 → 7.7

Soviet Union

Marat: 6.7 → 7.0
Parizhskaya Kommuna: 6.7 → 7.0
Novorossiysk: 7.0 → 7.3
Arkhangelsk: 7.0 → 7.3
Kronshtadt: 7.3 → 7.7

United Kingdom

Dreadnought: 6.0 → 6.3
Colossus: 6.0 → 6.3
Invincible: 5.7 → 6.0
Glorious: 5.7 → 6.0
Rodney: 7.3 → 7.7

Japan

No changes that I feel need to be made

Italy

Conte di Cavour: 7.0 → 7.3

France

Dunkerque: 6.7 → 7.0
Strasbourg: 6.7 → 7.0

I also think that with the new rank 7 being introduced, we should see some ships move in ranks as we have previously seen for new ranks in air and ground in recent years, as well as standardizing the ranks of event ships

Rank Changes

Colorado: Rank 6 → 7
Scharnhorst: Rank 6 → 7
Kronshtadt: Rank 6 → 7
Renown: Rank 5 → 6
Rodney: Rank 6 → 7
Haruna: Rank 5 → 6
Kirishima: Rank 5 → 6
Amagi: Rank 6 → 7
Mutsu: Rank 6 → 7

And lastly, there are some ships that I’m personally on the fence on if there should be BR increases for, and I wanted to at least place them in a list to get these thoughts into the field and try to get discussion going on them (and with these ‘maybe’ changes, without the other changes listed happening, I do not think these would be very good to make otherwise)

"Maybe" Changes

Nevada: 6.7 → 7.0
Alaska: 7.0 → 7.3

Helgoland: 6.3 → 6.7
Kaiser: 6.3 → 6.7
Ostfriesland: 6.3 → 6.7
Derfflinger: 6.3 → 6.7
Sachen: 7.0 → 7.3
Bayern: 7.0 → 7.3
Baden: 7.0 → 7.3
Ersatz Yorck: 6.7 → 7.0

Repulse: 6.7 → 7.0
Barham: 7.0 → 7.3

Kongo: 7.0 → 7.3
Haruna: 7.0 → 7.3
Kirishima: 7.0 → 7.3

Duilio: 7.0 → 7.3

Bretagne: 6.3 → 6.7
Lorraine: 6.3 → 6.7

I don’t think these changes that I’d like to see are any kind of ‘end all’ changes, and I’m sure some may even cause some friction, which is why I’m putting this idea out there so that it can be discussed and hopefully Gaijin will pick up on the conversation and we’ll see this new BR space get utilized. I also put a poll on the top of the topic to help create some quantitative data to see what the overall consensus on these changes (and changes in general) are so please be sure to vote!

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yes,cruisers needs more space to breathe but i don’t think we need more rank 7 ships
because gaijin did very bad in unlock new ranks,they force players unlock EVERY ship to unlock a new rank

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That might not be terrible. Moving more ships to rank 7 means fewer ships at rank 6 to unlock.

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comapare to make rank 6 ships fewer,I prefer reduce the number of ships to unlock rank 7
New ranks makes research very inconvenient,and top rank always has a 400k RP

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Not so, it’s not that much better from Mississipi and Tennesse

7.3 fits. They are not as tyrannous as before.

Nah, it should be 7.3 along with Novorossiysk and Arkhangelsk

Unless she gets better reload and torpedo that can turn course, NO!

No

After update, maybe they can go even further of 7.3.

For rank change… doesn’t seem it is needed.

And for “Maybe” Changes, I would say no for all.

I’d rather think detroyers and coastals before needs more space to breathe than cruisers. Cruisers already have concrete space of 5.7 BR top battle where the most population crowded.

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That’s a nice monkeys paw there! In all seriousness, whilst BR decompression is cool, as an EC player, just keep an eye on what planes the enemy team is bringing. I reckon you’ll start seeing alot more bravys in your team.

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That was my thought process, I don’t think it’s likely that Gaijin will reduce the RP cost for each ship in those nations that have a large number in rank 6 right now. Ranks have always had (to my knowledge) standardized RP costs for each vehicle, so I think it would probably be easier (and honestly more productive) to advocate for something they’ve done in the past, which is move a handful of vehicles up to the new rank. At the very least it would allow for players to need less total RP for the 5 major navies, and if they want to grind the shiny new ships? They can do that. If they’d rather keep their BR in the 7.3/7.7 BRs? That’s also an option with this change

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Aren’t Conte and Novo basically the same ship? I don’t have either but from what I can tell they’re incredibly similar

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Ah, yeah I forgot. I’ve only consider difference in their lineup. Novorossiysk has tankier Arkhangelsk while Cavour is thoughest on their own. Yeah, Arkhangelsk on 7.3 and Novorossiysk/Kronshtadt in 7.0 is okay then. Or only Novorossiysk at 7.0

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Brotha wa, kron? please explain why?

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Worse in survivability than Novorossiysk/Arkhangelsk. But as I said, it could be in 7.3 too.

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I get what your saying but she’s already going to seven three, this post is based on the dev sever BR changes. Another problem with Kron is her fire rate, she can put out significantly more punch than most battleships let alone battlecruisers

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Yeah, just bumping them all by 0.3 is probably all that is needed for now and it creates a bit of braething room for maybe moving a few heavies up too

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I would move Ersatz to 7.0 too

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Yeah, I agree with ya. Unfortunately though we gotta get through the big ships first, but cruisers will need some decompression later.

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What I need most urgent is ‘true’ coastal vs frigates, frigates vs destroyer

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All these 6.3-7.3s going up would only be good if all the new 8.0-8.7s also went up to 9.0-9.3.

Otherwise, all this would achieve is decompress a BR range to compress another!

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Currently Vanguard and Roma is wrongly modelled, so if they are corrected, they may can go to 8.3 and 8.7 respectively.

And thus by dividing Iowa/Yamato and Soyuz to 8.7 and 9.0, we could make new battleships 8.3 to 9.0, and use 8.0 as existing battleships to go up to.