The AH1Z has AIM9M which has better anti air due to better range and flare resistance. It also pulls more Gs. So there is no argument of why does no other helicopters have good anti air, its just they’d rather use Hellfires.
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No.
THATS a complete lie lmao. The TY-90’s flare resistance is so much better than the 9M’s its not even close.
It also has a higher dV by ~63%, and therefore likely has more range.
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It is only marginally better in that it has FOV reduction in addition to seeker shut off. This does not make a significant difference in battles, the missiles can be flared using the same tactics. If you really want to argue this point, the flare resistance and seeker range are the same as the Stingers (FIM-92E, FIM-92K, and ATAS).
Seeker FOV:
9M: 3.6°
TY-90: 3.0° at launch, 1.25° with seeker reduction
The 9M seeker covers 44% more area compared to the pre-launch FOV of the TY-90’s, and a whopping 729% more than the reduced area of the TY-90’s seeker.
The TY-90 also has a much higher track rate (40°/s vs 22°/s), making the seeker much better at keeping the target within the reduced FOV of the seeker, and therefore much better at avoiding flares.
Its not “marginally better” it is a MASSIVE improvement in flare resistance over the 9M.
And if you wanna bring the stingers into this, the stingers only have the abysmal 12°/s track rate (almost 1/4 that of the TY-90), making them substantially inferior at keeping a target within the seeker FOV, and only pull 13g’s (despite multiple primary and secondary sources stating otherwise) vs the TY-90’s 20g’s.
3.6 degrees divided by 1.25 degrees is 2.88. Area does not matter for the FOV, the important value is the diametre. Therefore, your “whopping 729% more” calculation (shouldn’t it be 829%?) is a sensationalist figure which is not useful for judging the real performance of the missile’s IRCCM.
The track rate of missiles is not important in War Thunder, as it has no effect in the game. That you mention this significantly in your response makes me doubt your faith in your argument.
The Stingers having 13g is a direct consequence of its simple design with single-channel control. A response was already given by Gaijin.
Is it just me, or does the Z-10 radar have a retractable mast?
Undeployed?
Maybe potential to taunt enemies from the air?
Going a bit off topic here but this has been bothering me a ton with how flare rejection works IRL vs in game. Where do they get this shrinking FOV concept from? The books I’ve read on missile guidance technology never mention it. Early-mid IRCCM was focused on reducing the time that the seeker actually scanned so the probability that a flare would end up generating an additional return on the seekers scan cycle would be low. Later improvements utilized this with data processing so that when an additional return is detected the missiles computer would be able to make determinations about it, like if the next scan it is gone than it was a decoy and that trajectory data-point should be ignored.
I can’t even imagine how they would manage to shrink the FOV of the seeker when it is a rotary disc with primary and secondary mirrors that already are offset so that it is only looking at a fraction of the total image and guides the missile to keep the returns in all of the views. Do you have any links/books/articles on this whole FOV shrinkage? Sounds to me they are using incorrect metrics and should be basing flare resistance off of probability instead of FOV (for missiles that use FOV reduction in game).
Their response is just as much a lie as anyone else claiming it to have less overload than what is directly stated in primary sources
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alright, this suggestion get accepted, not quite useful though.
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Acknowledged does not mean adding to game. It is just because they are tired of the suggestion.
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How many reports are acknowledged for the Z-10 so far?
I know the following is reported and acknowledged:
- HMD (Acknowledged since over 1 year ago)
- RWR (Acknowledged since 4 months ago)
- Second RWR Report (Acknowledged since 3 months ago)
- Larger rocket pods (Acknowledged 1 month ago)
- TY-90 renamed to AKK-90 (Acknowledged over 1 year ago)
- x16 AKD-10 loadout (Closed, but linked by Smin to a thread reported over 1 year ago where it was passed to developers)
Are we missing anything else?
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Was there a report on the missile speed of the AKD-10 saying it should not be 345m/s, I don’t quite remember. Also regarding the Z-10, is it true that this is the earliest variant, or should this be a later one with better loadouts.
Stat card speed is pure fantasy in game, you would need whole chart (time to impact chart would work) to make it actionable
It’s time to add this
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25km range is still too far, even without radio control, it can still reach 12km.
AR-1C with IR seeker can be good, like a IR AKD-10, 8KM range, the problem is it’s for drones not helis.
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I still haven’t purchased the Z-10 at it’s full SL price because I’m not sure it will offer any substantial advantage over the Z-19. If it gets new FnF missiles I’m going to do that in a heartbeat.
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I hope that the next major patch will add a proper RWR and other features to the Z-10
It’s been since September 2023 that the Z-10 has been using the old RWR model, RWR is really important to identify threats especially for helicopters since they are easier to go after than planes
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the missile is much better, akd-9 can hardly kill in 1 shot