This has nothing to do with Z10.
If you want better Apache go start a new thread, rather than stopping others request for better Z10 here.
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Comparing the Z10 to the AH64 has nothing to do with the Z10? Weird
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Considering the TY-90 can only trade at best vs other Helicopters; that sounds tragic (or just not do anything the the 28NM/Ka-52 because of DIRCM). And if you’re playing for the TY-90s then you may as well say the Z-19 is the top tier helicopter since it has radar and the cannon on the Z-10 is extremely bad anyway. Mald about the AH-64s being bad in another thread.
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This isnt malding about the AH-64, its pointing out that barring the obviously OP Russian helicopters NOBODY likes to deal with, all other helicopters in-game are at a pretty good place balance-wise currently relative to each other and that introducing a better Z-10 would likely be largely a negative shift in the game. The fact some of you fail to understand a simple concept like that is rather embarrassing tbh.
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lmao
This is just discussions of another model of Z-10, not adding 15km Fire and Forget CM-502s or smthin. And there’s already a model of Helicopter with TY-90s and Radar in the tech tree Z-19, a Z-10 with radar isn’t going to tilt game balance.
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Except, if you’d actually bothered reading the convo, you’d know that its also been discussed adding the Z10M with its CM502’s, or buffing the current missiles on the Z10, etc…
I dont have an issue with a Z10 with the same things it currently has + a radar, I have an issue with asking for buffs when they arent needed, nor would they be healthy
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I have followed the convo that’s why I know it was brought up as potential, not a request.
I wouldn’t mind a buff at all, the fire rate of the gun is wrong, the rockets pods are wrong and anti-air-heli-lol is a really terrible niche when your on the same team as Pantsirs or facing off Ka-52/Mi-28/AH.1/UHTs.
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From 2018, Z10 could carry at least 6 types of missiles, not only cm502kg, but I am not sure what are they. The only reason Gaijin will choose CM502KG is the document limit.
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Current z10 is still underperforming as is. The cannon rof is about half of what it should be to start
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Those heli radar are mostly trash anyways, they only 8km out with really slow refresh rate. The ka52 and mi28 are the only ones with decent radar
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Cant even count the amount of times ive died because the 23mm cannon is shooting WAY TO FUC*ING SLOW. I flank a ka52 and open fiire for a good 8 seconds and he turns around one onetaps me with his 30mm. Just disgraceful
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That is largely untrue.
Phoenix has NOTHING on AMRAAM C3 & PL-12.
Anyone here have any info on the 23mm mounted on the z10? Its very suspect that a relatively small caliber would shoot so slow. Its hvap has good initial velocity but the rate of fire is too slow to deal with air targets. All the 23mm’s I can think of fire at least twice as fast. All the soviet cannons do which I’m sure this is derived from.
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There’s a video online of the 23mm cannon firing in real life and it’s incredibly fast compared to the warthunder Z-10, this is the link for the video, it’s one YouTube https://youtu.be/_hExyADDbFE
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Looks like a different cannon though? It appears there are 2 different cannons used on the z10
Or maybe the same with a slightly different housing; it does seem to share the same muzzle
They look incredibly similar and I can’t see any difference between them compared to the ingame one
I can’t tell what that version is in the video due to it being pitch black. A few versions I’ve found of the cannon firing don’t show that a high RoF (still entirely possible the 23mm has different fire modes)
(0:48-0:52)
(3:35-3:38)
Unrelated: 19 70mm Rocket Pods + Domestic TY-90 designation
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The fire rate might be different depending on the Z-10 design, as the engine upgrade was essential for it and might’ve made space for a better gun or more ammo equaling a higher fire rate, or the video I sent was sped up. Yours seem way more accurate, but hopefully my claim is correct and with the addition of the Z-10M we see more ammo and a higher fire rate
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oh man! it looks like much quick than 2A42 ,23-L in this video even looks like MG3
I really hope to see a more modern Z-10 in the future, as the current one is very underwhelming in air to ground capabilities, and dosnt even have a good countermeasures system built in like other modern helicopters.
Also I’m pretty sure the Z-10ME could fire more advanced munitions like the CM-502, after all these weapons are also advertised for export…
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