So even with this “OP” SPAA, situation doesn’t change because people want more to play against tanks than against air, meaning that no matter what, problem will still remain?
It sounds like again that only TO is the solution.
As long as game doesn’t allow You to distinguish between deaths to ground/air, the most accurate form of data are overall ones.
Well, one thing that’s for sure is that SPAA needs no buff at any br.
Sorry, but TO just appeals to a completely different group of players than that which Gajin is targeting.
Statcards are not accurate. Post game summaries, battle logs, and replays are.
But if most people use SPAA as TD it only means that most people want tank vs tank combat ;)
Statcards have all stats regarding kills and deaths
No it just means the LAV-AD has mobility, HVAP, and a hyrda launcher.
They lack necessary information for SPAA balance discussion.
If it were good at killing tanks I would agree with You but again overall stats prove otherwise.
SPAAs can only be used in combined mode so overall stats such as kills/deaths to all vehicles are relevant when it comes to SPAA balance discussion.
I killed somebody cross map spawn to spawn then got shot twice and died and was able to spawn a fully loaded Z-19 in and just murder the match basically unopposed all within the first five minutes lol.
CAS when they’re being spawncamped instead of spawncamping:
the CAS sp changes didn’t affect helis, as far as I remember from the changelog, helis are still reasonably priced
I didn’t say it’s good at tank killing, I just said that’s how ppl use it.
They are not relevant to SPAA balance versus planes.
What is not relevant is a couple of games.
What is relevant is what SPAA faces.
The four games adequately represented the LAV-AD’s enemies.
They really didn’t
Etendard, Su-22, Hunter F.58, and Mi-24 pretty well represents the 10.0 area.
Really depends who’s behind the wheel majority of the time. It got to a point where I was getting overwhelmed by multiple CAS units targeting me and didn’t realize another SPICE 250 was on my way. There are those that sit in spawn doing nothing and there are those that do play the SPAA.
Yea, but my point was it’s ridiculous how much SPAA is driving around now.
Especially if you just get top tier AA without researching the tree.
Yes This.
9.x SPAA faces F58/ a4e/ buffed a10al in the worst case. At the same time everyone else, mostly with dumb weapons, from 8.x-10.x.
No one’s speaking for f58 etc. The other planes need help.
Not only about dumb weapon carrier here, also some poor planes under compression.
And not only planes, e.g. BUK needs help to at least compete with tung lol
Yea…its a bit unfair that I had to grind it but others don’t have to and still use it. However, as ridiculous as it may seem, at least players will soon realize the importance of SPAA vehicles and may also encourage player to grind them or learn them. It’s nice to play tanks time to time and not be the only one dealing with CAS lol
it doesn’t specialize in killing campers it specializes in killing anyone on the ground and it can also spawn kill
i don’t wanna see these jesus arguments where cas players pretend to be saints while in reality killing 80% of the enemy team and the first place where they look to shoot at is the spawn
That is one thing yes, why would you ever grind the SPAA tree now ? For Pantsir and iTo for example, it doesn’t matter that they are stock.
The other thing is we had all this changes to CAS, more spawn cost, spawning a second CAS plane most lakely not possible, potent new AA.
I consider myself a pretty decent CAS pilot and you really need skill with most planes now, it’s actually a lot easier to get kills on the ground, for a fracture of the spawn costs.
They are not powerful, they are just annoying, not only because spawns are saturated with SPAAs, but it also sucks for ground players whose 3/4 of the team is nothing but SPAA. It just becomes a detriment, at least the ADATS and SA-15 are free TDs.