It’s 20 calibers difference, so yes generally longer the shell higher the pen,
But thanks for ignoring the fact the shell case length isn’t that different, but the fox has 30mm addition pen, they should make the BTR-80 a 90 pen gun instead, or lower the fox to 94-102
And have the Warrior nerfed because its a bystander that uses the same gun?
The Warrior is atrocious to play. Because the Fox uses the same gun then why should the Warrior deserve a nerf when its already bad enough?
If you so desperately want a rat car to play in Russia then maybe you should play a different nation that offers different vehicles.
I’m sorry, but no. Penetration and tank speed/engine power cannot be relegated to the same category of BS “balancing factors” as reload speed and ammo choice, otherwise the game actually risks falling into a much worse place.
BR is the only number that should be changed for balancing. Nothing else should be.
Also BTR-80: 7.3, below that of Fox.
More stable platform as well.
The closest competitor to Fox is XM800T, which trades pen for more speed and faster turret traverse.
Germany has Wiesel.
Japan has Type 87 RCVP which gets a two plane stabilized gun.
Fox is as OP as an M1A2.
Fox does not need nerfed when all other 7.7s are equal to it.
Speaking of RCVP, it really should be lower than the 800T.
Its a much bigger, less armored target with the same gun and stabilization.
The BTR has the mythical ability to spray and pray at anything with less than 80mm of armour, even without stabilisation it’s a very good sabot and you’re supported with a fast fire rate to back it up.
Besides the Fox and BTR serve different roles and playstyle should be adjusted for that, the BTR is an armed APC while the fox is an armed Reconnaissance vehicle.
This means naturally it will be slower and bigger than the fox and with a lower prioritisation on self defence because it would have dismounts, stop directly comparing vehicles that are LITERALLY nothing alike and you start to have a more sensible picture on the two. Alongside this if you went and played anything but russian vehicles you would go and discover how lucky you dribbling mains have it.
And if these differences are significant enough they warrant significant differences in BR.
Lets be honest, you just want to be able to continue stomping in an underBRed strong vehicle. Your entire top 10 most played vehicles hovers between a 0.5-1.3 K/D, but the Fox suddenly stands out with a 1.9-2.0 K/D. Surely that is because the fox is oh so balanced lol.
EDIT: I usually don’t like bringing up K/D in the initial argument and I don’t care how good/bad your average is, but I do care about such a massive differerence in stats between 1 vehicle and most others. Such a massive difference means that this vehicle likely isn’t balanced.
If you are resorting to stat shaming you have no argument…
Lets be honest here…The Fox cant be balanced by nerfing or buffing its stats the only thing the devs can really do is to change its BR which by the way might be a terrable thing to do given the amount of lightly armored stuff at the higher tiers…
Oh I agree with this. I’m against randomly buffing or nerfing vehicle stats without sources regardless of which vehicles. The BR system should be used, no matter how stupidly compressed it is.
Oh I definitely agree, I was also responding to some absolutely stupid non-argument from them, so I guess all of that was a bit of a waste of time.
It’s cute you feel the need to probe my profile but if you had any sense you would be able to deduct that my top 10 vehicles are also from nations i have top tiers in, shock and awe i used vehicles to grind those tech trees, and personally my efficiency with vehicle I am using to grind is significantly worse since I listen to music and relax while playing them, the parallels there are the fox and Za-35, 2 vehicles that I thoroughly enjoy playing and are the ones with better K/Ds because i play them to have fun and generally I really don’t agree with turning to stats since a 1v1 proves player skill much more than their match performance due to a billion different factors.
Furthermore I was stuck on controller for a majority of my Germany grind in 2020 and some of the russia one, as to the reason those K/Ds are far below average
They are 2 different classes of vehicle lmao, comparing them is the only non-argument here
These classes of vehicle don’t matter in game though, you just made up a supposed meaning for this in your head to argue that the fox is actually balanced.
They are both light tanks, so if the Fox is significantly better than the BTR-80 it’s BR should be increased to reflect that.
Both are autocannon equipped light tanks in game that are close to eachother in BR, thus they can be compared to eachother. Not that you will like hearing this of course, because it doesn’t fit your “fox is balanced” fantasy.
Let’s fact check this absolute nonsense.
@BalticSAS You can learn a thing about retorting that type of argument with this:
Fox is a gun car, few are in the game and I haven’t listed all currently so I’ll do a live analysis of Baltic’s record.
Fox for Baltic sits at 1.92:1 KDR. Respectable, and clearly it fits his playstyle a bit.
ZA-35 despite not being a gun car also has a ground-kills KDR of 1.83:1.
VBC PT2, a gun truck having a KDR of 1.71:1.
His PUMA and Wiesel 1A4 stats are worse, but neither of those are cars, and both came out long ago.
So while Baltic doesn’t do as well in the German auto-gun tanks, he does well in the Fox, ZA-35 [which has never been OP], and VBC PT2 [which IMO has never been OP] all within margin of error.
Speedy Wheely Automobili has always been my preferred style of play, shame there aren’t more in the game tbh
Plus, I am still learning as a player and my general skill level has increased drastically from where I was at a few years ago (when i played a majority of matches in the T-55AM1, Kfir and Mig-21) and this is reflected in the K/D ratios of vehicles I have played recently (J-8F, Fox, Suomi T-34, P40 and so on)
Why play anything else?
This little vehicle is hard to kill, fast, great mobility, and can one shot a MBT. Why play anything else? War Thunder, I await your excuses.
For the sake of gameplay, MBT should be hard to kill, the Fox would be vaporized by an MBT. If not the vehicle itself, the crew, for sure, would be sucked through the 120 mm hole left through it. Let’s make the game more competitive, and make the Fox a scout tank and NOT a fast MBT. Scout tanks are for getting into planes quickly. This should remain their primary role for game mechanics. Allowing them to disable tanks, that’s fair, but to one shot an MBT? Absolutely ridiculous.
This is a problematic way of thought and denies a lot of the unique traits of light vehicles in game, the Fox is equipped with the best spalling 30mm calibre in game, however it has it’s hefty tradeoffs in the form of the abysmal fire rate, it’s practically a Semi-Auto and with the bouncy chassis makes firing at high speeds virtually impossible, the Fox is an armed reconnaissance vehicle and has been adapted by players like me to become a very good vehicle at punishing poor situational awareness and lazy players, like many other vehicles in this game, it’s not isolated to the Fox and isn’t an issue.
Or it’s just that players flocked to an already incredibly good vehicle to abuse it.
But they haven’t, since the fox has gained more attention it has also gained a lot of bad players, most other fox players I encounter in my lobbies are low level or just bad, I rarely encounter other decent players in the thing anymore, unlike when it was added at 7.0
Really don’t get why, after America got given a straight up better option with a more convenient line.