By rat you mean tanks that have mobility as their ONLY positive stat. Or did you think changing out a Tiger 2s’s main gun with any of those rat tank’s weapons would be viable?
The positions the flanking tanks go to isn’t a secret. Each map only has a few locations where flanking is actually viable. Binocs are your friend, not heresy.
Not sure where the tears are coming from, tbh. 7.7 is plenty high enough for what it is. I understand that watching flanks is harder than not watching them but you still need to do it. Sure, they are fast but they need to slow down or stop to kill things, if they can even get through the armour.
Lots of players have got it in their heads that being flanked is an unfair death, rather than accepting that they over extended or got tunnel vision. Gaijin has already flattened and narrowed maps for these players. I wonder what could ever be done to keep them happy.
The Fox is fine and is easy to kill provided you can breath and think at the same time…
Lets be honest if you fail to watch your flanks and die because of that then that is on YOU and YOU alone.
By all means though continue to moan about it if that helps you.
Very easy if you are in tank whose turret rotation is not in minutes
You are simply skill issue
It can cross the map in 10-20 secs… how is that not OP? Imagine a maus, is-4m, etc doing that. They’re Reload is far worse, so that might actually be more balanced right?
While we’re on the topic of light tanks,
How come the Btr-80a’s (Rus and Italy) have bars on the back of the turret side? It prevents being able to easily shoot behind you.
The fox can 360 turn its turret, worse yet, the foxes round, which in only marginally bigger, acts like an atomic bomb, vs the btr.
The foxes turret is faster, the tank itself is faster, smaller, reloads slightly slower, has better pen, and better aphe, somehow survives .50 cal’s constantly, eats HEAT rounds… but it’s only 7.7, which the BTR is 7.3… yup “makes sense”
Ngl I’m a Vcc-80/60 enjoyer myself
Most times I get killed by the fox are the first 30 secs into a game, either that, or I’ve been battling hard, and some electric powered car with a 30mm comes riding up behind me, because my teams usually suck, and I lose the cap in defending because my turret rotation, on say, a T-54 (Sweden) which I’m currently working on, has a top turret traverse of 8.2 degrees a second. The fox is so fast, it can already out-drive that turret, then combine the foxes turret traverse, and you didn’t already stand a chance, but now you’re totally screwed. The fox has what? A 58.0 degree or higher turret traverse? At 7.7… not op at alllll
Most foxes I see, are driving full speed, using APDS…
“Shadow strike x7” yup, as I said Za-35 just like the gepard is op. In fact, with the nerf to the Veak, and how slow the Zsu’s are, I’d say they’re far better balanced.
Yeah, your average war thunder “WW2 player” has absolutely no peripheral awareness.
It’s downright ridiculous how much a lot of these people will try and rely solely on their armor, ignoring The Onion entirely.
If I even see a Fox when playing a Jagdpanther I’m gone.
Me watching a dude turn away from the sound of an enemy engine, still not noticing after the dude next to him get taken out, and only noticing after i kill the enemy tank 60m behind him.
Some of the examples I’ve seen, I’m fairly sure could be in the worst parts of a hurricane and not notice…
Letting enemy tanks drive almost directly past them, letting a churchill somehow get behind them without even noticing lol
To be fair, the other sounds in the game are very loud. Arty, tank fire, friendly engines etc.
Consider that most wheeled vehicles are dead quiet, it’s easy to see, paired with what the fox has for stats, makes it op.
I can’t wait for the Fox to get nerfed because one person is on a personal crusade against the Fox.
Its eerily similar to how Star streaks got fixed on the AH.1.
This is what I am saying, nerfs should not be dished out because of a large thread started by someone moaning about the new ‘flavour of the week’ OP vehicle, and usually it doesn’t bother me in the cases of premiums or blatantly broken vehicles (on release 292 and EBR 1954)
But in the case of a bloody end of the line attack helicopter, bear in mind that it’s ONLY unique traits over the israeli and American longbows are new engines and Starstreaks, now it cannot really benefit from either while both of those trees have a competitive alternative (AH-1Z and AH-60). After the consistent nerfs to an already inconsistent missile, the fact that they removed it’s ability to counter SPAA and Kamov spam at the start of the match is a further kick in the balls for the british tech tree
And in this case the Fox, a vehicle that is balanced well with it’s limitations and having it’s only advantages be small profile and high speed, the latter of which you can’t even use on a lot of maps it’s exposed to due to Gaijin’s new Pinball maps, meaning it is rendered as a support vehicle unless the enemy team actively lets you get around their flanks, all it takes is one heavy to turn front on and bam, fox flank is dead. Please stop whining about these vehicles because all it does is make the game more repetitive and boring to play as people are forced to play medium and heavy tanks to death.
Its always British stuff too. Actually good vehicles in the British tree are far and few. When Britain actually has something for once, everyone gets upset.
People know that if they go a cry and mald about main nation stuff, they’re thread is going to 1-1000 copy paste thread about the same topic.
But if you cry about something in a minor nation long and hard enough, something is going to be done about it because minor nations get the shaft by Gaijin.
I’m not the only one who clearly feels as though the fox is still OP.
Ballistically speaking the Russian 30mm and Brit 30mm are extremely similar, yet the foxes 30x160 vs the Russian 30x140, the Fox has far more pen in its APDS, where as the Russian 30mm has about 30mm less pen.
The “only advantages the fox has is size and speed”
Well you forgot, turret traverse, .50 cal proof armor, a 30mm that usually 1 taps enemy tanks with non direct hits to ammo, since apparently that that 30mm acts like a 120mm, you get smoke too, also -14 gun depression.
Meanwhile, it’s closest competitor the BTR-80
-can be penned by .50 cal from pretty much anywhere
-slower
-higher rate of fire, but less pen, so your not likely to pen.
-3x the size target
-random bar behind the turret so you can’t cover behind you effectively.
-poor gun depression.
-marginally faster fire rate.
-very tall
-it can float (wooo)
The fox is 7.7 and is far better than a 7.3 BTR-80, which is one br above the worse vehicle. the fox definitely needs a nerf, a mobility one would be the most optimal choice, but perhaps a penetration nerf from 110 > 94-102 would limit its superb unparalleled effectiveness.
It remind me of the PUMA at 8.7 all over again, at least you can kill the fox…