FOX-3 Top Tier Meta / Notching + Chaff is too easy / 60m multipath is fine

The meta has evolved to a point where everyone has gotten used to the new multipath height and noching/chaffing skills, regardless if 120, R77, MICA,…

I’m not talking about getting shot from different angles, that’s a situation you can’t escape. But if you are in a 1v1 or maybe 1v2, you can easily dodge FOX-3 missiles, even at close range within 6-7km, if you have situational awareness.

This is annoying when you fire a missile and it gets easily defeated. even defeating one is not a challenge.

27ET’s are more intimidating at the moment.

And if you are in a Gripen it becomes laughable, it’s flight performance compared with it’s countermeasure amount is very strong. even though it has not the most amount of missiles. same for the F15.

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Yeah, I agree. Would quite like to see MP reduced to IRL level (per missile basis) at least for Sim.

But wouldnt say no to things like Phimat (and other Chaff pods) being added to aircraft and BOL (at a bare minimum its Chaff) being restored to IRL levels. But with those fixed, even the aircraft that struggle in the notch like the F3, would be fine.

in the future Towed Decoys and ECM would also be quite interesting, but they’ve barely got MAWS to work yet, so thats a long way down the road

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Yeah, multipath could be lower, maybe 50 or even 40 meters. But not everyone playing top tier is a top gun pilot and i won’t take the safe zone away from those players.
sometimes 60 meters can also be really hard when maneuvering between trees, hills and buildings. but its not that hard anymore.

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Yeah, which is why id mostly advocate for it in Sim. That way RB can remain much the same. Though adding a radar altimeter to the game HUD would likely help a lot with staying low in most regards (I know it does for me in Sim where I have it in the cockpit HUD)

27ET is dirt easy to flare. If it had 9M IRCCM it would be amazing, but it has horrible IRCCM

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I think the game is fine as it is for RB.

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Serious question. I have skill issue. But I have severe issues notching and chaffing any ARH missile. I place the missile directly at my 9 or 3 on my RWR but it usually still tracks me no problem. I also pull up or dive to get out of its seeker.

Am I doing something inherantly wrong?

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What aircraft are you in?

If you know its coming. ET’s greatest advantage is its range and its ability to stealth guide itself.

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Anything. But 9 times out of 10 if I face ARH they are the new R77 or AMRAAM when I am flying my KWS (I dont know why I do that, I hate it so much, its so bad)

Can you send a replay in sensor mode?

Im not sure without seeing a clip/replay. If you were in something with BOL (FA2, F3, Gripen, etc) then Id blame that as the cause.

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Sorry, whats a BOL?

BOL is a counter measure pod mounted on weapon hardpoints and found on several different aircraft (FA2, F3, Gr7, Gripen, F-14B, JAS37D) which is the source of those aircraft large CM counts. Each pod contains 160 CMs and most aircraft with them can carry 2 - 4.

But they were nerfed into oblivion when the Gripen was added and in desperate need of major buffs. The effectiveness of each chaff packet for example is around 1/4 of what it should be.

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Wot? The Gripen was broken on release what are you talking about?

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You didnt read the full sentence. BOL Was nerfed into ground when the Gripen was added with them.

This left other aircraft that relied upon BOL in a very poor state and they still are today .

It is BOL that needs buffs. Neither the performance of the flares or Chaff dropped from BOL is accurate.

Both are modeled in-game as small calibre CMs with reduced burn time for the flares.

It should be large Flares with reduced burn time and standard calibre chaff.

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Oh I misunderstood then. I’m pretty sure the BOL nerfs weren’t that bad. They’re smaller calibre flares so naturally they burn for less time and at a lower luminosity.

They arent even flares. They are a cloud of basically chaff that produces an IR signature. They should be equally if not more effective than large calibre flares when it comes to luminosity. They do have a reduced burn time because again, they arent flares.

Video of BOL "flares":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmsLIqZifBU

Flare report:

Chaff Report:

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/B8OvCzjZ7E91

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Cool thanks.

No I’m just really bad at notching apparantly even though I understand what I’'m supposed to do.
I’ll make an example video in tacview tomorrow

Thats cool, is this limited to British only?