You are correct, i misremembered. There were way fewer of them before though :)
The skill bonus is marginal and has little to no impact on the grind. The RP reduction only ended up being between 9 and 12% overall for most trees, so maybe a week or two’s worth of games. Then Gaijin nerfed the multipliers and then nerfed rewards with the introduction of the severe damage mechanic. Then you introduced new vehicles which dilutes the required RP even further. Nothing has been done to reduce the overall grind.
What is Gaijin’s position on how long it should take to earn an aircraft at Rank VI or above? How about finish an entire tree?
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Very much dead on the money. A large portion of their actions to “reduce” the grind are often just monkey paw changes. Very much a “one step forward, two steps back”.
I would love to know what Gaijin thinks on how long should it take an average player to progress to Rank VIII.
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it still isn’t “nothing”.
you previously stated that it takes a year per tree, 10% of that is one month and one week, not “one or two weeks”. so which is it?
Either its a 10% reduction resulting in two weeks from the total of 20 weeks (or a bit over 4 and a half months) per tree
Or its 10% of a year total which would be 5 weeks and one day reduction.
It cant be both.
i have no recollection of a nerf to multipliers, when would that have happened and do you have a source for it?
the severe damage mechanic lessened the rewards yes, but not as much as many seem to think as they also have switched RP gain to a majority come from time played and not kills/assists.
Again, not true. Even if they according to you (and many others) then changed other things to increase the grind again you can’t claim “nothing” has been done.
You can however with that premise claim that “it has resulted in a net gain of zero” or similar verbiage.
No idea, I do not have behind the scenes information or access to it other than in-game chat/name-bans and the tools associated with those.
I’m a volunteer, not an employee.
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The RP requirements increase with each tier. By the time you get above Rank VI your requirements have quadrupled. That 10% reduction equates to about 2 weeks or less above Rank VI.
May 2023 premium modifiers
BR changes from 2020 through 2024, premium and non-premium modifiers
Base bombing nerfs
Others in the last 10 years I can’t think of off the top of my head
Attempts were made, but we come back to zero reduction.
I mean I can’t really remember any vehicles from the main tech trees I play that have gotten old vehicles foldered in the last 3 updates, and new vehicles don’t seem to be getting foldered either. Why wasn’t the new PUMA foldered? Or the F-111F? Or the Bf 109 C-1, Buccaneer S.2B, ZSU-23-4M4?
ZSU-23-4M2 could be included if Gaijin decided to have folders that can contain different tiers of vehicles.
But I checked the wiki pages for the last 3 updates, and none of them contain any mention of foldering vehicles.
It’s kinda interesting to cross reference the two rank-based RP modifiers to see where your 5 games are best “spent.” In general, if you’re not running a premium you want to be in the BLUE areas, which is where the 5-game bonus has the greatest effect and avoid the red areas, where the combined effect is quite pronounced.
That’s not what you said though, both times you explicitly stated that it was for the tree, not part of it.
Do you have links to news about these or something similar? I’ve tried searching but only found threads complaining about it without really showing proof that it did happen (admittedly not searched that thorough though). I’m not saying that it didn’t happen, just that I personally haven’t seen anyone actually prove that it did.
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if you are interested here is a spreadsheet of the RP reductions made last year, as their total (Summarized changes - Google Drive) and for specific vehicles (Detailed changes - Google Drive)
Well no, of course they haven’t. It was a one time large change a year ago, it isn’t really a continuous occurrence. It was a part of the roadmap for last year.
I don’t know enough to comment on the specific vehicles.
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Here is the news about that change ([RoadMap] Following the Roadmap: Sons of Attila Roadmap implementations and some Postponements - News - War Thunder)
Ooohhh! that a nice chart! where did you get it? :) I’d like to save it :)
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It looks like it isn’t correct though?
if i use a rank 8 vehicle to research a rank 5 there is a 90% penalty and the bonus for rank 5 is 50%, so the combined effect would amount to -40% right? and not plus 15% as in that chart.
I need to find my spreadsheet. Even if your interpretation is correct, is a month or less out of a year really a significant reduction? I don’t think it is because it shouldn’t take a year (or more) to begin with.
The BR change I experienced personally when you downgraded the T18B from Rank IV to Rank III. Other vehicles have had their ranks changed randomly, reducing their multipliers.
The base bombing nerf was about a month or so ago and was discussed here.
The old forum was full of every type of br and multiplier change, some have never been reverted. Gaijin even loses RP according to this thread:
Updated, thanks for the catch.
In your example, 8 for a 5, you lose 90% of the effect for researching 3 levels down, and then lose 50% for a rank V research target for the new bonus, so the net effect is a 1-(0.1*0.5) = 95% loss (on the new bonus RP only).
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on its own? no. The total reductions with all the changes made? i would personally call it significant yes.
that link goes to the update that was reverted? i don’t know what you wanted to show with that one.
again, i’ve seen no sources on this.
That wasn’t a nerf though? it was a bugfix, rockets were never intended to kill bases that easily as the game accidentally counted number of rockets instead of amount of tnt equivalent explosives.
The rewards for bombing bases has to my knowledge not been reduced.
That bug i can absolutely agree with, i het when it happens and i think its weird they haven’t fixed it sooner. (i.e. had a higher priority on it)
Nice :)
good clarification, i thought it was compared to total possible RP and not percentage of bonus still gained :)
Same help, but depending on how much they have grinded other nations,…
Many old players didn’t reached higher than rank 4 in nations they don’t main.
I’m kind of an exception myself yet it’s still helpful to get top jet in other nations.
Currently i’m thinking to go again on nations such as Russia or Italy that i’ve left out before to main France and USA,… also helping me to finish with Japan(only on F-16AJ and F-15J(MSIP) now, but still)
I can also have full help for both Isreal and chinese if i decide to go in those nations(i will not because there is low interest for me)
I don’t believe the change was actually reverted. Multipliers got changed with the BR adjustments since then, and then Gaijin introduced Severe Damage. The end result was a net loss in RP gains.
My understanding is that the number of bombs to kill a base was increased. I know that I do not get as many rewards for bombing with bombs that I used to.
according to everything i’ve seen it was reverted, it was the catalyst for the negative reviews and the start of the positive changes for the economy and progression. had it not been reverted then things would have been a lot worse in the community.
The link to those BR changes all almost exclusively show increases in BR and thus increases in Multipliers.
I do not think i’ve experienced this or seen anything about it.
Ah I had just started playing around this time, I remember the news about RP costs being significantly lowered for top tier vehicles.
Still, it’s a disappointing that Gaijin has been so reluctant to folder vehicles after the RP change.
As someone who is researching every nation by rank (I’m at about Rank 6 in every nation) is it worth it to go for a top tier vehicle in 1 nation just to get this bonus or not?