They specifically said “same types of vehicles”. So strike RP for strike aircraft, fighter RP for fighter aircraft, etc.
Removing that penalty would be such a better system than this over-complicated bonus system. Can we just do that?
I can’t think of a game (at least off the top of my head) that penalizes its players more for playing their game than War Thunder.
You have repair costs, you need two types of in-game currency to obtain a new vehicle, there’s ammo replenishment costs, there’s penalties for stacking SL and RP bonuses, a chunk of your RP is taken for “Mark of Distinction” even if you don’t like putting decorations on your vehicle, and there’s RP penalties.
Can you imagine having to rebuy magazines in Call of Duty and Battlefield after each match? Or you needed to put XP into weapon slots just so you could put an attachment that you had to already grind more XP for?
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Where on Earth did you read that? They are clearly talking about tech trees. They mean, if you get top tier fixed wing aircraft, the bonus extends to every plane on your account unless it’s considered a recent addition, but it DOES NOT extend to helicopters or tanks. That’s what they meant. And to prove my point, here’s the edge case for you - I don’t have a top tier hydroplane/torpedo bomber (shame me lol), I do have rank 1 researched, I still get the bonus.
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The following was in the FAQ:
In your example you get about 10 to 20 extra RP for that aircraft, maybe zero by the time the research penalties kick in. So take out your Rank VIII aircraft and see what kind of RP you earn for that floatplane. For those of us that have Rank I-III researched across multiple trees we get nothing.
This has been in the game as long as I have played, and has nothing to do with the addition of this bonus lol. It has always been like this.
You absolutely still get the bonus, it’s just affected by the modifier the game has always used. I just played a match researching a rank VI strike aircraft with a rank VIII fighter.
This screenshot will illustrate for you that your claim:
Is incorrect, as I clearly receive the bonus when researching a strike aircraft, with a rank VIII end of the line fighter.
Also, your claim
Is incorrect, as I’ve researched the entire france air tree with multiple end of line vehicles (as displayed by my played aircraft being the 2000-5F and I still clearly received the bonus.
You also claim here:
that it’s “a fake bonus”
which again, this proves it is not, you still absolutely get the bonus associated with the Base RP, however it is affected in the exact same way all other non-premium-vehicle research always has been by the overall modifier that has always been in the game; having nothing to do with this addition.
Edit: Just to further my point, put on a x% RP booster, go research a 2+ rank difference vehicle with a non premium. ignore the bonus added in this update altogether. You will find that all modifiers (i.e. your x% booster) is calculated PRIOR to the debuff from the rank difference, the same as the current bonus is. It’s still very much there, and you received the rewards from it; but you are accpting the penalty when you attempt to research a vehicle with the high rank difference.
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That is not how this new bonus works.
That research penalty for lower ranked vehicles has no impact on the top two ranks as you still get 100% for the rank below and above the one you are at (that wiki is outdated, you can se what ranks you get full RP for on each vehicles stat card).
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I’m glad you are skilled enough to have reached a Rank VIII aircraft and I appreciate the demonstration, but I am unable to validate your results since I have no rank VIII aircraft.
Its a fake “bonus” because not everyone has reached Rank VIII, so they get nothing.
Its a fake “bonus” because those that have finally reached rank VIII already have Rank I-VII fully researched in a tree, so they get nothing. (see my Sweden example)
Its a fake “bonus” because the RP penalty kicks in trying to use a Rank VIII aircraft (in order to get the bonus) to research Rank I-VII aircraft. So while the RP penalty doesn’t impact the new “bonus” it does offset the RP earnings.
Ok I see now how this could be confusing. I believe it’s meant to be interpreted as “the same branch” of vehicle. As in, the bonus from planes requires a top tier plane and you need to be playing an aircraft to research another aircraft, as opposed to the specific class of vehicle (tank, tank destroyer, light tank, medium tank, etc.)
The bonus is intended to be a reward for reaching the top of a tree so that it speeds up future trees.
not necessarily true, you can for example unlock the USA AV-8B and get the bonus for the rest of the top rank (7 planes!). you can also easily unlock only 75% of a tree and still get to the top. The bonus also gets added to all other nations in the game.
You get the bonus no matter what plane you play, the bonus is based on the vehicle being researched, not the vehicle played (within the same main category of Aircraft/Ground/Coastal/Bluewater).
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Except it doesn’t speed up future trees at all. Players that reach rank VIII already have multiple trees started and/or close to finished. (That would be a good statistic for Gaijin to provide, what % of players have completed what % of ranks). I believe the calculation was about 5-10 extra games per year. It won’t help in any meaningful way.
This is not true for Sweden, Israel, China or Japan. Above rank IV or V you must research and purchase all aircraft at each rank to advance to the next one.
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IIRC a majority of players play one nation at a time and not multiple nations simultaneously. of course there are still a lot of players not playing that way and this bonus will help those less. 5 games per year? how did you come to that conclusion?
So for 3 ranks, in 4 air trees out of 10, and excluding ground trees. in that case you don’t really need the bonus either (if it is your first tree) as you have way fewer planes to research than the other nations anyway. If it isn’t your first tree then you get the bonus anyway.
What percentage? What is Gaijin going to do to reduce the grind for everyone else? What statistics are they looking at as far as how long it takes to grind a tree and whether or not players are above/below this magic number that Gaijin has never released?
It was another online discussion where someone had calculated the net RP gain over an entire tree.
So screw those people that don’t research in the exact way Gaijin asks them too? Wow. Those ranks (above III) are where the extra bonuses are needed the most.
Ok, so I figured I’d wait until I had a few battles under my belt with the new bonuses before I comment on them.
Increasing number of battles from 3 to 5 is good.
I feel that 5 battles per nation per “branch” is a good amount, as someone who grinds multiple TTs I find it difficult to run out of these bonuses. However, many (if not most) players focus on one TT at a time, and for these the bonus will be less impactful.
Making the bonus remain in a TT even when you have “End of Line” vehicle is great, very commendable!
There are still some downsides however… Others have written extensively about them, but here’s one that I don’t see mentioned enough:
RP rewards in ground battles (specifically ground RB) are very poor compared to Air RB. This research bonus feels very minuscule in that context and does very little to help speed up the grind.
This discrepancy has to be rectified, and not in the “monkey’s paw curls” way!
All in all this RP bonus is a welcome addition, but I can’t help feel a little underwhelmed considering how long we’ve waited for this
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Okay, I am done with this. I’ll go as low as playing a bloody J8A and sealclub the poor noobs to prove the point on forums…
How come I’ve just got 10 times more than you expected in a single match? On an aircraft I am not even supposed to get a bonus on, according to you?
1004 base RP, roughly 250 RP bonus. It’s not a lot, and the prem vehicle slightly distorts the image, and the mastery bonus is bigger than the top tier one, but if you compare it to the cost, it’s not insignificant either. I don’t have PA at the time, btw. Also, if you have to rely on the bonus to get a Rank I aircraft, you must have a severe skill issue. I am sorry, but there’s no way around that.
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i checked your previous statement on the nations:
-Sweden; you can skip 3 planes in rank 5 but you need all of them for the rest of the ranks upwards.
-Israel; rank 5 need all, rank 6 you can skip 3, rank 7 need all and rank 8 you can get the bonus after the first plane and have 5 left in rank 8 to get the bonus on
-China; rank 5 skip 4, rank 6 skip one, rank 7 skip one, rank 8 get bonus after two and have 4 left in rank 8 with the bonus applied.
-Japan; rank 5 skip 2, rank6-7 need all (but is a total of 4 planes instead of 8-10 like the other nations), rank 8 get bonus at first jet and have 3 left.
The only place here where this is actually an issue would be Sweden.
I don’t have an answer for this nor do i have any behind the scenes information on this.
I very much doubt the correctness on that as a F2P player in just 5 battles in one day at top tier gains the equivalent of 5 extra games of RP. I would love to see the calculations if you have them :)
They really aren’t asking you to do it in a certain way. you can either optimize the play to maximize gains or just play for fun and have the gains be a thing that just happens, that’s the way of basically any game ever.
They would naturally appeal to the majority of the player base as a standard. That’s just an expected way of doing it.
Edit:
I also get the feeling that you have largely misunderstood how this bonus works and will be gained and applied. Could you give a short description of how you have understood this bonus to work?
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If you somehow play over 25+ battles a day [you’re playing 7 battles a day currently], then maybe you should complain.
However, I will never be able to max out the bonuses until I’m almost done with the game.
This is exactly what I expected.
Not sure how us having more RP gains than ever before in the past is “greedy”…
It’s a premium account without having a premium account. That’s not little.
The fact your post is claiming that having a premium account is nothing is itself a trash take.
It’s mostly positive. Having a free premium account of earnings for over 40 battles a day is exclusively good.
You researched a rank I with a rank I so you got no penalty. I’m not relying on the bonus to get any aircraft because I have no Rank VIII aircraft so the bonus will not apply. I also have Rank I-III across all the trees so I’ll never get that extra 25% either.
Pretty sure the chart on the wiki for research modifiers is still accurate.
My original understanding was as follows:
- Only players with Rank VIII aircraft will get a bonus. (so not me, at least not for between 350 and 600 games, as well as an unknown percentage of the playerbase).
- You must use a Rank VIII aircraft for the bonus to be applied. (Evidently this is not correct).
- The bonus applies to the tree you got the Rank VIII aircraft in, negating any gains since you’ve already researched most of the aircraft by this point either in that tree or other trees, so any gains are marginal or are offset by the base research penalty.(Allegedly the bonus applies across trees.)
- An extra 25% is given to rank I-III but again, this is largely useless since you have to get most of the aircraft in these ranks to get to Rank VIII.
For new players I guess this is a good thing but for the rest of us its a slap in the face. I guess we’re used to being the abused Gaijin spouse so we’ll keep playing anyway.
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