I think that’s going to be the case. I’m at the point where I don’t want new vehicles for a major update, I just want the dozen plus half baked mechanics implemented just this year to work and or be finished.
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That is because you won’t get a bonus on a Rank VII strike fighter aircraft if you use a Rank VIII fighter. It has to be the same “aircraft type” at that rank. Since you already have the entire tree finished you get nothing.
The issue you described is true, and I would greatly benefit from something like this, but I have to disagree with your approach. If Gaijin takes your route and tries to fix the issue relying on the cumulative bonuses, it would render most top tier stuff unobtainable for the relatively new player. Even with PA, vehicles and a lot of playtime. The cumulative bonus should be a measure to keep the old guard in the game - a lot of people started to play much younger, but got a lot of stuff going on now in their lives, they still enjoy the game, but simply don’t have as much time, so they usually quit, and it makes no sense for Gaijin to lose these clients. A cumulative bonus could help it. However, the mean time to the first tech tree completion for a new player should stay the same no matter how many vehicles they add. Otherwise, it just cuts off all the people who get into the game after being interested with ads featuring the new jets and modern tanks Gaijin added. Any online game needs new players, if the stream stops, this game’s days are counted.
This is incorrect.
As you can see above, the symbol is there, but it is inactive. If you hover over the symbol, it clearly explains the reason the bonus is inactive, is because new vehicles don’t receive the research bonus (new is defined as within 28 days of release).
You do indeed receive the bonus on strike aircaft and bombers, even if the match you played was in a fighter. The rank of the aircraft you’re researching and the rank of the aircraft you’re playing also aren’t taken into account since it uses base rp for its calculation.
I don’t think you get the idea. Taking that AV-8B American air tech tree for example, if you get AV-8B, you’re getting the bonus for the rest of American fixed wing aircraft tech tree as well as all other nations. The designation doesn’t matter, as long as its the same type of tech tree. Planes boost planes, helis boost helis, ground boosts ground, ships boost ships, boats boost boats, that’s how it works.
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The rank is part of the aircraft type. Since you’ve researched the entire US tree you wouldn’t get anything even if the A-10C wasn’t new, not to mention the RP penalty for researching previous ranks in the tree. Its a fake “bonus”.
Can you provide a source for this claim?
Can you also provide a source for the “penalty for researching previous ranks in the tree” modifier?
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If you research using a NON premium, more than 1 rank above or below, you are given an RP penalty. See his screenshot showing the Max Vehicle Research Efficiency: VII-VIII
Now go to a Rank 3 and see what it says.
I’ll find it, it was on the old forums but it might take a while.
Its on the wiki. You didn’t think Gaijin would actually let us have any kind of grind reduction did you?
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Which makes sense but the next aircraft after it is the AV-8B+ and that does not have the downward arrow after it like the F-16C does. And as I’ve said I have no other tree maxed out. I have a few that are close but not fully completed. So what is the A-10C being linked to for the bonus?
They specifically said “same types of vehicles”. So strike RP for strike aircraft, fighter RP for fighter aircraft, etc.
Removing that penalty would be such a better system than this over-complicated bonus system. Can we just do that?
I can’t think of a game (at least off the top of my head) that penalizes its players more for playing their game than War Thunder.
You have repair costs, you need two types of in-game currency to obtain a new vehicle, there’s ammo replenishment costs, there’s penalties for stacking SL and RP bonuses, a chunk of your RP is taken for “Mark of Distinction” even if you don’t like putting decorations on your vehicle, and there’s RP penalties.
Can you imagine having to rebuy magazines in Call of Duty and Battlefield after each match? Or you needed to put XP into weapon slots just so you could put an attachment that you had to already grind more XP for?
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Where on Earth did you read that? They are clearly talking about tech trees. They mean, if you get top tier fixed wing aircraft, the bonus extends to every plane on your account unless it’s considered a recent addition, but it DOES NOT extend to helicopters or tanks. That’s what they meant. And to prove my point, here’s the edge case for you - I don’t have a top tier hydroplane/torpedo bomber (shame me lol), I do have rank 1 researched, I still get the bonus.
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The following was in the FAQ:
In your example you get about 10 to 20 extra RP for that aircraft, maybe zero by the time the research penalties kick in. So take out your Rank VIII aircraft and see what kind of RP you earn for that floatplane. For those of us that have Rank I-III researched across multiple trees we get nothing.
This has been in the game as long as I have played, and has nothing to do with the addition of this bonus lol. It has always been like this.
You absolutely still get the bonus, it’s just affected by the modifier the game has always used. I just played a match researching a rank VI strike aircraft with a rank VIII fighter.
This screenshot will illustrate for you that your claim:
Is incorrect, as I clearly receive the bonus when researching a strike aircraft, with a rank VIII end of the line fighter.
Also, your claim
Is incorrect, as I’ve researched the entire france air tree with multiple end of line vehicles (as displayed by my played aircraft being the 2000-5F and I still clearly received the bonus.
You also claim here:
that it’s “a fake bonus”
which again, this proves it is not, you still absolutely get the bonus associated with the Base RP, however it is affected in the exact same way all other non-premium-vehicle research always has been by the overall modifier that has always been in the game; having nothing to do with this addition.
Edit: Just to further my point, put on a x% RP booster, go research a 2+ rank difference vehicle with a non premium. ignore the bonus added in this update altogether. You will find that all modifiers (i.e. your x% booster) is calculated PRIOR to the debuff from the rank difference, the same as the current bonus is. It’s still very much there, and you received the rewards from it; but you are accpting the penalty when you attempt to research a vehicle with the high rank difference.
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That is not how this new bonus works.
That research penalty for lower ranked vehicles has no impact on the top two ranks as you still get 100% for the rank below and above the one you are at (that wiki is outdated, you can se what ranks you get full RP for on each vehicles stat card).
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I’m glad you are skilled enough to have reached a Rank VIII aircraft and I appreciate the demonstration, but I am unable to validate your results since I have no rank VIII aircraft.
Its a fake “bonus” because not everyone has reached Rank VIII, so they get nothing.
Its a fake “bonus” because those that have finally reached rank VIII already have Rank I-VII fully researched in a tree, so they get nothing. (see my Sweden example)
Its a fake “bonus” because the RP penalty kicks in trying to use a Rank VIII aircraft (in order to get the bonus) to research Rank I-VII aircraft. So while the RP penalty doesn’t impact the new “bonus” it does offset the RP earnings.
Ok I see now how this could be confusing. I believe it’s meant to be interpreted as “the same branch” of vehicle. As in, the bonus from planes requires a top tier plane and you need to be playing an aircraft to research another aircraft, as opposed to the specific class of vehicle (tank, tank destroyer, light tank, medium tank, etc.)
The bonus is intended to be a reward for reaching the top of a tree so that it speeds up future trees.
not necessarily true, you can for example unlock the USA AV-8B and get the bonus for the rest of the top rank (7 planes!). you can also easily unlock only 75% of a tree and still get to the top. The bonus also gets added to all other nations in the game.
You get the bonus no matter what plane you play, the bonus is based on the vehicle being researched, not the vehicle played (within the same main category of Aircraft/Ground/Coastal/Bluewater).
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