Following the Roadmap: Separate Battle Ratings for Different Modes + More Information

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As I have guessed earlier, the separate BR’s between ground and air battles is nothing else than to “fix” top tier ground battles because Gaijin is reluctant to decompress tank BR’s.

Many players argued with me that they will reduce BR for unplayable strike aircraft in ARB while I said they will do the opposite. Well, here you go. I would like to congratulate all the 20 CAS complainer thread spammers. Good job. You make REDACTED youtuber proud.

INB4 - MoRe WiLl CoMe LaTeR
You haven’t been playing the game long enough to know Gaijin.

I strongly disagree with moving the Alpha Jet to 9.0. It’s now dead. No sane person plays Alpha Jet at 8.7 in ARB and no sane person will play it at 9.0 in GRB. It was fun while it lasted, so long partner.

Game started as a plane game. Without us, the pilots, you wouldn’t have this game today. I would like to see you start catering to us, instead of tank mains for a change.

After you destroyed ARB with 16v16 I migrated to GRB, but I am running out of playable lineups here because you keep breaking them up. Maybe it’s time to take another 2 year break from the game.

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2 image it might AMX International AMX Prototype from Paris International Air and Space Show 1989 ? and armed AGM-65E Maverick. but AS.30 or AS.30L ?

AMX A-11 from italy tech tree armed Lizard laser guidance kit precision strike munition. So I hope gaijin add Lizard LGB I/II/III/IV (Mk.82, MK.83 & Mk.84) in next major update or third major update

But Opher laser guidance kit precision strike munition for A-11A Ghibli

I assume that attack aircraft 10.3 ~ 10.7 BR lineup for italy tech tree maybe AMX A-11A. and Aermacchi MB326K Early, MB326K Late, MB339B, MB339C & MB339CD.

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and，AAMs

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/rCm4c6eIi6NM

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The separation of aircraft BR can use some further consideration.

I chatted with my friend who had 8k hours in WT last night, so what you basically did is to split plane BR base on the munitions it carries, that sounds okey but there’s some serious problem with such decision.

Take the 10.7 A2G for example, this is the bottom line for laser guided weapons now. I’ve seen a ton of complain for the A5L on all platforms already and tbh I don’t even think that is the biggest problem, the fact that France super extendard is also moved to the 10.7 is absolutely bullcrap, it has no thermal on the pod thus has a very limited altitude it could go for LGB usages. Clearly it is not nearly as good as the Jaguar, but guess what, they are the same BR now.

Also another problems such as the A4E. Yes it is so insidious to carry 2 walleyes at 8.7 (and a bullpup if you want) but moving it to 9.7 is absolutely outrageous. Here’s the reason: walleye is easy to use but it does not nearly has the efficiency of let’s say an alpha jet. Each run you could get 2 kills at maximum and let me tell you, that combine with the 15km range from airport and the not-so-great jet engine make you essentially not vary useful realistically for you team, just like the H34s, good, but useless. The point is that yes it should not be at 8.7, but that does not means it is an OP plane to begin with, maybe 9.0 or 9.3, but definitely not 9.7. It will be just a piece of crap by then. Oh I don’t even own it btw., I’m just speaking fact.

Another consideration is the fact that US ground tt at around 8.3-9.7 is outright underperforming, it needs the A4E to back it up, and I think it is okey for every nation to has its perks and drawbacks to distinguish them or esle the game will be so boring. Just like the Italian with buncha wheels fast vehicles, US should have the powerful CAS as a compensation.

The point is, please do not make an artificial line for weapons types, vehicle like the A5L or the super extendard does not deserve to be at 10.7, nor that moving A4E to 9.7 will ever be a good idea, Gaijin you should really use your brain and reconsider the decision, best if you have someone that really plays the game at around this BR. Any of those can help you make a way better decision than this.

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Are you just going to ignore the 3 bullpups? They’re more lethal than the walleyes at killing ground targets. The advantage of the walleyes is the information that you can glean from its magnified camera to survey the battlefield, and the ability to make safer attacks against SPAAGs. Once you get over the learning curve you can outrange the Su-25k by using the walleye camera to guide bullpups in to targets at ranges where the Su-25k can’t even see targets yet with the mk1 eyeball.

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no

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If you don’t know how to balance, you can withdraw.

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many of your statements are aimed at “smearing SU25s” to reduce or maintain their BR, enable them to have good efficiency

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The Q-5L gets two LGBs, thermals, and can also carry 8x zuni-type rockets + 2x 250kg bombs. It gets no flares but is a supersonic, and decent airframe (albeit lackluster for 10.7).
On the other hand, there is the AJS37, which can carry 2x AGM-65As, gets a much better flight performance, and can carry 2x Aim-9Js. The AJS37 can also carry 2x Aim-9Ls instead of the 2x mavericks / bullpups (Or carry 1x Aim-9L and 1x Maverick / bullpup), which would completely destroy the Q-5L in any scenario. The only way the Q-5L can survive is hope their team helps them, or use the rockets as crappy countermeasures. I would say the LGBs are better for ground pounding, but the AJS37 is still pretty good at CAS.

Not to mention the fact that the Q-5L can face a full uptier and face 11.7 SPAAs, and now the F-16A 😂
None of the subsonic laser-guided bomb CAS aircraft should be able to face 11.7 SPAA.
Their only way to CAS is to fly high (to avoid IRCCM SPAA), and drop their laser-guided bombs, while being at an extremely slow state. They are just a slightly better option than attack drones at an 11.7 match, facing F-16As and 11.7 SPAAs.

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The only other person to have a take on the viggens congrats to be the second person to mention them.

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Excellent. 🫡

The delays are understandable, and somewhat expected considering how those improvements will impact the game. I rather you take the time needed to get them right than rush 'em out with potential problems.

Getting separate BRs per mode has been a long time coming, and a big step in the right direction toward allowing vehicles to get fair match-ups. Really looking forward to it! 👍

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Su-22M3 makes somewhat sense considering it gets a really bad integrated targeting camera, good top speed and decent energy retention, but terrible turn time (even with wings unswept), but it gets access to 6x R-60MKs and 4x laser-guided weaponry that can be used up to 10km (albeit with varying success). Only 6 pops of countermeasures, so it seems reasonable at 10.3.
The Su-22UM3K, on the other hand, is the Su-22M3 without the issue of the lack of countermeasures (128 flares (64 pops of countermeasures)). Why are these the same BR?

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AJS37 is 10.7, and would only be able to carry 2x AGM-65As if you want to live (you need gun pod and countermeasures).

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MiG-21MF and MiG-21SMT are just inferior versions of the MiG-21BIS, so why would you want to use them over the MiG-21 BIS at 10.3? Does that mean MiG-21 MF and MiG-21 SMT should go to 10.0 or 9.7?
Of course not. The MiG-23M / MiG-23MF should go to 10.7, along with the 11.0 MiG-21s, if you really want to move them down, as it would be better if they would not be the same BR as the F4S too.

I would honestly say that the aircraft without guided munitions should stay where they are at (this includes fighters), while those with guided munitions get moved.
It doesn’t make sense uptiering CAS aircraft / good multi-role fighters just to downtier the fighters that don’t.
You’re basically double nerfing these CAS aircraft / good multi-role fighters.
For example, moving up the AMX to 11.0, it would have to face extremely good fighters at the same BR, like the F-4S, which was previously 11.3.

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I am disappointed at the few changes in the Air RB side, several of the aircraft on this list as well as many others that aren’t visible here need to go down in BR. I hope this is a conservative initial first pass but if not this won’t be sufficient to fix the problems.

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At least it will no longer wreck 10.7 matches…

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I actually would have thought you’d lower more BR in air RB for planes that supposedly are at their BR for their performance as CAS in ground RB.

But then I don’t really play ground RB at all and air RB only rarely.

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OK, lowering F16’s, that’s intresting, and seriously why ?
A-10’s going up… should stick on 10.3 both normal and premium version.

sm3 on 12.7 in ground , it was certain that it would happen.

But what is most annoying in this news, is that there’s no actual change on these slow strikers on Air games. Thing why people actually wanted that planes have different br on air and ground games. there’s no place on those slow strikers on air games.

But finally nice to see those low br orbital cancers got moved up. Q5, F4, TRAM etc etc.

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Also has mid flight performance and J’s are lackluster for defense at that br with its sub par flight performance imo

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The thing is, the F-5E is now at 11.0, which used to be 10.7, and generally was just a better AJS37 with the ability to multi-role on a whim. (Could carry 4x AGM-65Bs with 2x Aim-9Js, flares, and guns)

The AJS37 has similar flight performance to the JA37, which is at 11.0. At 11.0, it’s kinda mediocre, but at 10.7 (and especially at 10.3), it’s actually not too bad (if not one of the better frames, other than the extremely undertiered fighters, like the MiG-21BIS (which is at 10.3 for some reason)).

It can act as a fighter initially, with 2x Aim-9Js and 2x Aim-9Ls, and then turn into a ground-pounder, with 2x Aim-9Js, 3x AGM-65As, and a flare pod (just in case). The AGM-65As are abysmal at 10.7, so I think it would be better to run one of them, and two bullpups (that have 8km max range, proximity fuze, max speed of mach 1.2 instead of mach 0.9, and decent explosive filler), and guide them in via optical seeker of the maverick.
This take more effort and skill than the F-5E with funny 4x AGM-65Bs, but that is why the AJS37 is 10.7 and not 11.0, despite it being able to carry 2x Aim-9Ls and 2x Aim-9Js.