Amazing gaijin really found a way to compress the BRs once again… bs changes
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Not to mention that Gaijin is willingly down tiering S-24 slingers and the SU-25s are untouched while being a scourge.
And no the SM3 going to 12.7 flat out changes nothing, it was already at the top BR bracket in GRB it’s accessible bracket is the exact same as it is.
These BR changes are a joke.
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What the player thinks:Attack aircraft with very poor air combat capabilities should receive a lower BR in the AIR RB
Gaijin thought:Raise the BR of the Ground RB of all attack aircraft that gaijin does not like
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I was expecting ground attack based planes to go down in air. Well, that would be too good to be true, instead they go up in ground, so now they will be preforming bad in both or lineups are gone, making them useless. And top tier.
F-16? Netz and MLU have Mavs while A adds GBU-8 to them, yest they go down?
F-20 4 Mavs.
Just why?
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I welcome this change but i am confused as to one why the super etendard without the asl30 increase to 10.7 br in ground battle, two i remind you that France for now has no lineup at 10.7, it ends at 9.7-10.0 br if generous.
And three why would it be 10.7 br even for the jaguar,
it performs good but nothing more, in worst case in ground br it would stay 10.3 in ground, but in air it would reach 10.0 since it has the exact same missile as the super etendard.
I would understand a 10.7 br for air if the jaguar got his magic 2 but 10.3 in ground would still be preferable.
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I have the premium A-10 in my TT line up while I advance my air TT to catch up. I’ve already been facing the Pantsir and it’s utterly broken how I die usually within seconds of spawning. Notably because most Pantsir players know where the air spawn is and the missile is faster then my own aircraft.
It’d be nice if the A-10 got new spawn arrangements like not spawning 10K feet up but maybe 2.5K feet where it can dodge into low cover from SPAA. Or in air RB give it an attacker air spawn because at that BR rating airstrip spawn fighters are going to get airborne and pass the A-10 before it reaches the battle anyway. Most of the Air RB battles I’ve played in it result in me getting to the fight when it’s just about over or a high tier mig-21 etc end up flanking my team at 20K+ feet then diving on the A-10s in the back for easy kills.
It’s absolutely insane how they are balancing it.
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Q5L 9.7>10.0
This aircraft has no interference or AAM. It has no advantage in facing air superiority fighters above 9.7 and CAS aircraft with AAM, and can only be beaten. Moving it to 10.7 is absolutely wrong
Saab 105 8.3>9.0.
8.3 CCIP is definitely a crime! Almost no machine gun SPAA can kill it while flying high
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All A-4s are
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It looks like the BR changes for GRB are mostly computer-generated.
“If it has guided weapons: go up, otherwise go down or don’t move. Fighters are more likely to go down and strike aircrafts and bombers are more likely to go up regardless of ordinances”.
It’s also hard to understand how the “early” SU-25 remains untouched despite its massive load of high-TNT-equivalent rockets + CCIP combo, meanwhile the A-10 goes up probably only because of Mavericks even though with its speed and their FoV you are more likely to get kills using regular bombs.
And again I’ll repeat myself, why is the F-16A with 6x Mavericks and a bunch of 9L’s going down in BR while planes like the Mig-29 with no CAS capabilities keep their higher BR? It makes no sense no matter which parameter you are looking at for this decision. It’s one of the best top-tier fighters in the game AND doubles as a perfectly usable CAS, yet it’s buffed, but it’s strictly-CAP counterpart is not ? Why is the Mig-29SMT staying at 12.7 despite having worse ground ordinances as the Mig-27K or F-16A ?
Basically: what parameters are taken into account to justify these BR changes that would explain why we can now see the A-4E meet the F-4J or the F-16A being a whole BR lower than the Mig-29SMT ?
If air-to-air balance was taken into account at all, the former should not happen. If only air-to-ground is taken into account, the later should not happen either. So what is going on ?
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Why F-4EJ and EJkai not change BR ?
they can’t use ATGM
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Aircraft that need to go down in air but have been untouched in the brithsh tree.
Buccaneer S1
Buccaneer S2
Jaguar Gr1A
Tornado Gr1
Most of the heavy bombers as well need a review, especially Lancasters
There is no reason for these aircraft to be at their current BRs for ARB
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In agreement with some others here, this does seem unnecesarily punitive to Britain for some reason. Britain has no real lineup betweeen 10.3 and 11.3/11.7 (literally no vehicles between 10.3 and 11.3), so bumping the Jag GR1 and Bucc S2B up to 10.7 really hurts them, and the 10.3 ground lineup. These jets will be thoroughly outperformed up at 11.3. I’m fairly sure the expectation from the players here was that these aircraft (amongst others) would be going down in ARB, rather than up in GRB, as the LGB advantage doesn’t matter there.
This change makes these aircraft thoroughly underwhelming in both modes.
These changes also create an odd situation with the Tornados. With the advantage of having LGBs being made irrelevant in ARB, the 11.3 striker tornados should all go down to 11.0 with the two that are lower br only because they don’t have LGBs. As it stands, due to the weaker engines, the Tornado GR1 will be flat out the weakest of the Tornados in ARB, whilst being at a higher br than the two German IDS ones.
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Japenese jets have no guided munitions so both JP phantoms should go down in GRB about 1.0br
EJ and EJ Kai have exact same anti-ground loadout, they should have about the same GRB BR
T-2 have no flares, no CCIP to know where to drop stuff, should go lower then jets that have both flares and guided munitions → 9.0-9.3 at least in GRB
F-1 have CCIP but no flares and no lineup, should be at 9.7 GRB
F-104J have no CCIP and basically no anti-ground weaponry, no flares, I believe it would make sense for it to go somewhere 9.X as anti-CAS
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Yeah, the A10 spawn does look brutal. I’d just runway spawn. I’ve taken out way too many A10s with the Stormer the moment they spawn in and there really isn’t any defence
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All late Harriers to 12.0? Sure but the AV-8B still has no SAPHE Mavericks unlike the british one, big difference.
I suggest AGM 65F for AV-8B and A-7E plex
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MiG-29G should go to 12.0 for ground RB, same performance as the MiG-29A
since all mig-21mf or his brother going down to 10.3…
J7D, a premium package, using a mig21mf`s airfame, has 4 rear-aspect IRmsl, share a same br with HMD+aim7f phantom
good jerb, gaijin, its really “balanced”, some tech tree must pay-to-lose
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So…why is it that the BR of British and German F-4s goes down, but not the BR of Japanese EJ and EJ Kai, which don’t have guided bombs?
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i think thats a skill issue----a10 can comfortably shoot agm65 to those AAs, not get into their range, while su25 have to get very near to the AAs, trying to find enemies with their bare eyes, so that they can get 1 or 2 kills. btw s25 is not good as before.
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I must be playing the wrong American line ups. Didnt realize how dominant we were with the A-4s and A-10s. Well our win rates are going to get even more terrible.
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