Following the Roadmap: grouping vehicles, rank changes, and improvements to premium vehicles

I think the USN fighter line changes need to be looked at, it’s complete chaos and follows no logical progression now.
I would suggest ranks 2-4 be reworked to something like

F2A-3
F4F-3 (F4F-4)
F4U-1A (F4U-1A USMC F4U-1D)

F6F-5 (F6F-5N)
F4U-1C (F4U-4)
F8F-1

F4U-4B
F8F-1B
F7F-1

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That is similar to what we proposed here, but you can make it neater by folding both bearcats. and the second buffalo in with the first one

We cover that in the proposal, as those two aircraft are completely unrelated.

Yeah I considered those too, but getting the hellcats sorted out was my main concern.

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The proposal we put in place involves keeping the line as is, with simply a folder for the buffalo and the early corsairs, as the tree in the present state is as you describe, which we outline in the proposal

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me and @super_cacti went through all the trees extensivly, all the issues people are having with the ordering and folders are outlined in the proposal, so you should go over there and support them as it covers all the minor gripes regarding the folders, as issues like this crop up in a few of the trees, which seem to have been done blindly based on current brs for air realistic

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We cover that weird shift of the WZ in our proposal here: Comprehensive proposal to Improve the proposed Grouping of vehicles

some of the foldering choices as said are horrible

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A lot if not all of of your suggestions are covered by our comprehensive coverage of the tech trees which can be found here if you want to go and give that some support: Comprehensive proposal to Improve the proposed Grouping of vehicles

From my experience, landing a single pass is enough to down anything other than some Russian planes. 50s can be inconsistent. Also, at 8.3, 2 1000lb bombs with CCIP is all you need for CAS.

It handles more differently and does not compress as much.

I just checked with WTRTI but, MiG-15/MiG-15bis and MiG-17 pulls almost same AoA at over 800km/h when you are using keyboard/mouse control. Probably you have that opinion because you have either not played both the MiG-15/MiG-15bis or MiG-17 at all or just a few times.I don’t know about sim because instructor on MiG-17 works so hard in current game but, it is kinda offtopic.

Anyway, it is just a placebo or something similar, and there is literally nothing different between the MiG-15bis and the MiG-17 other than the 3D model other than top speed, roll rate, and weight. Even on flat turns at same speed, the MiG-15bis turns almost as well as the MiG-17, and the T/W is almost the same.

Your argument to me sounds like “i JuSt fInIsHeD rEsEaRcHiNG oN tHe mY MiG-17. LeT mE rEsEaRcH MiG-23MLD WitH oNLy tHiS 9.0BR plAnE REEEEEEEE”.

BTW, MiG-19 and MiG-21 (F-13/SMT) have completely different FM from MiG-17 and MiG-15/MiG-15bis, so even if new players researched them with MiG-17, they won’t handle them smoothly.

Sure, if you actually hit the enemy.

With F84F 50s you can use 100 rounds just to aim with the tracers, 100 rounds to kill the enemy, kill 4 dudes and you still have more ammo left than saab105 when it spawned.

But… We aren’t talking about CAS?
Atleast i’ve been talking about AirRB whole time.

I didn’t see a game mode so I just figured you guys were comparing the vehicles in every aspect. Which the turnrate of the F84F needs to be taken into account. Since, it may have the ammo count to kill 4 plus targets; if those targets are dogfighting you, you’re basically dead

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I hope gaijin can remake Chinese Ground Tree by this chance. And here is my suggestion.

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Which is exactly the same with the saab… That thing turns like f104 without the speed.

Also @Smin1080p i hope the foldered vehicles will also have reduced SL cost?

Yeah they downgraded in a while back and left Japan having advantage with it in efficiency task and event point modifiers. Look at all the other vehicle they are moving up in some nations, and leaving the same in others. Effectively improving some vehicles in one nation tech tree over others. Every vehicle that is a copy of another should share the same rank across all nations.

In some stores if you bough an item and few days after it went on sale , you can get it on refund, and buy at reduced price. In current case like in let’s say sherman, 70k is reduced, you get from 1-2k rp in good match that last on avg. 15-20 min. That is about 600min so 10h of grind for sherman only, not to mention much more to 1 mln with top ranks. Considering that large diffrence in amount of time spend on grind, yes I would love to see some kind of redirecting of that RP.

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We aren’t talking about few days here though.

Some compensation would be nice, but i don’t think it’s in any way required for vehicles ypu researched and bought years/months ago.

Only place i think it should be compensated is if you have over 50% researched on vehicles that will be foldered and reduced the rp cost 50%.

So for example IPM1 costs 340k rp and according to the suggested changes it will be foldered with M1A1 and reduced the cost to 170k. If you have already researched 250k, i think the rest of the rp should either go to your next research or the IPM1 modifications.

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@Stona_WT

Will this mean that the players that have these new folded vehicles get any form of reimbursement of RP to go towards a different vehicle in the tech tree, or a reimbursement in SL or GE equivalent.

After many years of someone trying to grind a tech tree, finally getting to the top, just to find out all of their efforts and time investment has gone to waste as the folded vehicles will be much easier to aquire and faster tree progression?

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I find it really unfair that a lot of tech tree vehicles going down in rank reducing their effectiveness for grinding vehicles/events/tasks while premiums go up in rank. (Not saying premiums shouldnt go up)

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How much have you used the SAAB? From my experience, it can turn really well, it just bleeds energy pretty fast and takes forever to get it back. The F84F, however, turns like it’s a b25 or worse. It’s only advantage is it’s speed and that’s negated because stuff below it’s BR is as fastif not faster.