Flakpanzer 341

[rainy2000]

@Beeschurger

Me neither, but ive been witness to some strange things in this gsme.

For sure lol

@Beeschurger

Just to give example - if im approaching a battlefield in CAS plane and i spot three enemy heavy tanks close together hammering our spawn, im not above turning into guided missile and lawdarting into them to ensure three kills in short amount of tine at critical point of battle.

I can see similiar approach with this stuff. If single tank is holding entire flank and you can trade yourself for him, if it allows your team tk regain that flank and additional positioning, i can see it being tactically viable in some cases - but certainly not as regular gameplay tactic.

I see.

@Beeschurger

Oh i do too, not just for M44 but any light skinned vehicle.

But i never load HE as first round over APHE or AP, just asking for trouble if you run into something that isnt a light skinned vehicle.

Yes, same here.
Definitely not trying to tell anyone to load HE first – that would get you killed more times than not.

@Beeschurger

That i agree.

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@Beeschurger

PercisionCap suggested AP ammo to cost additonal SP like we now have with CAS ordnance, i suggested changing load order of ammo racky so that turret ammoracks load first, not last as it is currently.

That would be a first.
I don’t think there’s a single ground vehicle with that mechanic lol.

Not sure if I feel comfortable restricting people’s belt choice like that for ground vehicles, though.

@Beeschurger

Well they fit certain roles better than others. Mediums are jack of all tades, whereas IFVs kinda need to be flanking.

Scimitar doesnt have good enough pen to frontally engage most mediums, but i think its APDS is devastating in flanks (since it can go through sides of soviet mediums, unlike 20mm APDS).

For sure.
That’s what these types of vehicles should be used for, so it makes sense.

@Beeschurger

That i absolutely agree.

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[Beeschurger]

@rainy2000

Not sure if I feel comfortable restricting people’s belt choice like that for ground vehicles, though.

What else can be done tho?

Raising its BR so its WW2 prototype fighting Bradleys? And meeting more light skinned vehicles?

Removing its historical APHE belt?

Reworking the APHE? Sounds nice but would take time

[rainy2000]

@Beeschurger

What else can be done tho?

Raising its BR so its WW2 prototype fighting Bradleys? And meeting more light skinned vehicles?

Removing its historical APHE belt?

Reworking the APHE? Sounds nice but would take time

I think the latter one is best eventual fix to the issue, but I can’t see why the Coelian can’t be 7.7, like where the ZSU-37-2 and VEAK 40 is (they both are pretty good anti-tank SPAAs, but get some crappy track and search radar and a low-speed stabilizer)
The Coelian is still better anti-tank than either of these SPAAs, and has decent amount of armour against autocannons / 50. cals, unlike VEAK 40 / ZSU-37-2.
Other than the search / track radar, all three are pretty decent SPAAs at 7.7.

I also think limiting the amount it can carry, but I don’t think any other vehicle in-game has that ahistorical limitation, so I’m not sure if that would be a good idea.

[Beeschurger]

@rainy2000

but I can’t see why the Coelian can’t be 7.7

It will meet more light skinned vehicles, thus its effectivness against ground units will increase, thus it will be eligible for BR increase… Its feedback loop that will inevitably end up with Coelian being overtiered as hell, same thing that happened to Falcon.

Id much rather see some better fix that would allow coelian to remain within WW2 lineups than having to take it together with ATGM carriers etc.

@rainy2000

like where the ZSU-37-2 and VEAK 40 is (they both are pretty good anti-tank SPAAs, but get some crappy track and search radar and a low-speed stabilizer)

Issue with these two is that while their radar sets might be mid or even bad, they still have those, unlike coelian. WW2 AA without radar fighting early cold war jets would be final nail in the coffin of its anti-air role.

@rainy2000

I also think limiting the amount it can carry, but I don’t think any other vehicle in-game has that ahistorical limitation, so I’m not sure if that would be a good idea.

Also not a fan of such solution.

However the two aforementioned fixes - the SP cost increase and changing the load order of ammoracks - could work pretty well imo.

Increased SP cost for antitank ammo would still enable the coelian to be played in antiground role but without the low initial SP cost advantage of SPAA; for anti air role its SP cost would remain unchanged.

Changing the load order of the ammoracks on the other hand would be direct nerf to its survivability, since the ammoracks in the turret cheecks do not fill until you take almost full ammo load - until then all of the coelians ammo is stored in the hull. This would allow coelian to be one shoted with properly placed turret shot.

[QTip_44]

M44 also has much better optics than most vehicles at it’s BR … 4.1x - 8.0x
Can snipe targets much better than many spgs it faces which is just goofy considering it’s a howitzer.

Heck, even Tiger H1 at 5.7 only has gunner optics of 3.5x

M44 does not belong at BR 4.0.